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Kommentar von 214546

Have they remove Camouflage ? Sry 4 asking that here

Kommentar von gnidleif

So.. it says "Fire a freezing arrow that places a Freezing Trap at the target location" this probably means that it will be targetable on the ground kind of like spells like "https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=58434" and "https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=42940".

This means it will not be a targetable CC like "https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=12826", more like a ranged version of "https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=14311".

This does not make it completely useless, since they're not reducing the arming time for traps down to 1 second from 2 seconds, which means it's still quite good if you can calculate where your enemy will be in about 1 second or more.

Kommentar von Arhippa

Does anyone happen to know if this triggers the aggro on pulls?
It'd help trapping the mobs in instances a lot if it doesn't.

Kommentar von Noctis

We couldn't have simply gotten Rank 4 of Freezing Trap? One that lasted say... 30 seconds? So we could drop a trap and have one off of CD when the current one broke?

No, of course not. That would have been useful.

Kommentar von 175557

what if i have a gun?

Kommentar von 207930

I don't get why you guys keep mentioning Missdirection as an "iconic" hunter ability? Do you define yourself - a hunter - as being able to missdirect threat from 3 attacks to someone else or being able to do massive dmg from a distance?

Rogues ARE defined by their ability to stealth. But this doesn't mean a 5min CD, 3sec casting stealth at lvl 80 couldn't be a hunter ability. We should find other arguments to try to bring back (not that it was ever available in the first place) Camouflage other than "Rogues get Tricks of the Trade - a 'key' hunter ability".

BUT rogues do seem to get alot of abilities from other classes. Not essential ones but still - Fan of Knives is their first AoE, Tricks of the Trade is their first... threat transfer.

I don't say they should definetly bring Camouflage back BUT Freezing Arrow is a total disgrace as our lvl 80 spell. With the current visual effects it's totally FUBAR in pvp.

They should think hard of another lvl 80 ability OR nerf Camouflage. Like making us come out of it the moment we move, or having us stay in a certain area to remain stealthed (blends into the 'surroundings') - like a "reverse flare effect" - as someone else said.

Kommentar von Xendra

Does this mean that Freezing Trap will be completely useless after this? I for one will never use it again if this goes live.

Kommentar von 118765

Does it scale with the 6 extra yard range with surv talents?

Kommentar von ChaosAbstraction

My argument wasn't so much based on Tricks of the Trade being like misdirection, but more on the fact that Camouflage as it was, was fine. The quote to show Blizzards never failing to contradict themselves into a hole time and time again. As far as rogues being defined by their ability to stealth, yes that is a good point. However, Hunter's should be defined by their ability with a ranged weapon and so far the only thing that really gives them an edge with one is Auto Shot. Realistically a master of the bow should be able to fire arrows whilst moving, but they won't give us that. The skill was a very fitting ability for a hunter as it was. Allowing then to "hunt" their prey and get the opening strike.

Comparison to vanish as a reason not to give it to hunter's is a another one of Blizzard's failed cover-ups. It can't be cast in combat and takes 3 seconds to be useful. Even if it could be used in combat no one in their right mind would let you take those three seconds to fade. Second, being a hunter, you don't benefit from the ability to stealth in combat other than as an escape. Third, druids get stealth plain in simple, but there is nothing wrong with feral stealth because rogues have the talents to have superior stealth to every other class. A rogue can easily detect a feral druid and even then it's more an "Oh pffft feral druid...lol" moment. Hunters get detect hidden which is a great passive stealth bonus, but a rogue specced sub still has the edge. Any other rogue spec is being excluded for the reason that detect hidden beats them anyway. It really wasn't giving us anything other than a nice way to open combat every 5 minutes. Other than world PvP it really didnt have a place.

Freezing Trap, the replacement skill. Very nice skill, allows you to set a trap at the target location. Trap is still subject to arming time and still procs the cd on your other traps. Well that is a great PvP skill to look forward to at level 80. Problem? Well now freezing trap is absolutely useless and we've had more than 50 levels of play to perfect the art of laying traps and baiting enemies to them. If you can't effectively use your stationary traps at level 80 and really need this skill then re-roll, please.

Kommentar von 62188

Meh... blizz is %^&*ing up hunters badly.

Readiness to marksman tree.... right... Readiness is soo much more a survival spell than marksman but blizz doesnt see that.

Scatter shot goes to survival now... liek wtf? Thats sooo marksman but hey.. they decided different.

Camo removed... well ok.. might be too nightelvish but then again, all humans get feign death.... (or did they change that ?)

And now this spell. Dont want it. Dont need it. Wont put it on any of my bars. Might not even learn it ^^

Kommentar von 165532

Right now, this spell blows. My suggestion:
Chang it to read something like "Shoot a Freezing Arrow that instantly freezes the target for up to 20 seconds", give it a cast time, make the cool-down ~1min and not shared with regular traps.

This way you could Freezing Arrow to open and lay a trap to catch the mob after, which would actually be useful and an improvement in hunter CC abilities.

I'm sure Blizzard will say that is too "Mage-like" but then they'll probably go and give mages a trap-like spell and make Ice Block dump agro. It makes about as much sense as Rogues getting a better version of Misdirect and an AOE (seriously, rogues should be the last class to get an aoe. It's totally out of character for a stealthy cut-throats-from-behind class. An aoe daze like a flash-bang yes, but not damage)

The problem with this now is that it is just Freezing Trap with a 40yd range: Same effect, still needs time to arm itself, shared CD. I rarely even want to put a trap closer to the target than I can already, and most of the time I purposefully drop a trap far from the mob so I keep it out of consecrate, aoe etc. and so I can burn a few more seconds of cooldown as the mob runs to it. Since Freezing Arrow shares the same CD, that makes it less useful for chain trapping as you won't burn as much CD time. As ChaosAbstraction said, if you can't use a regular trap effectively by level 80, you need to re-roll.

As a level 80 spell it's awfully disappointing. I doubt I'd spend the gold to learn this in the current form. Not even close to a good substitute for Camouflage

Kommentar von 186030

I think blizz should scrap the whole 'freezing arrow' idea, and just give us a passive ability allowing us to shoot while running.

That, no more shot clipping and pet talents. I'd welcome WotLK with open arms.

Kommentar von 201791

Well, at least its a 40 yard range? I mean with three points in Survival, you have the longest range attack in the game.

I guess we have to thank Blizzard for all the stomping they have done to hunters, now alot of people (like me) won't want to level their hunter to 80, thus reducing the overflow of them.

Kommentar von 186030

I doubt I'll even spend the gold for this talent..

>:(

Kommentar von 237178

I think I wont use freezing arrow but if Camouflage came instead of freezing arrow I wouldnt use it either. Why must we hunters be stealthed? We got already enough stealthed people in pvp. And in PvE it sucks more. Give blizzard some time to realise this spell suck and they will maybe come with a new one.

Kommentar von 99014

You nay sayers are crazy. Think about it this way. Target in pvp low on hp trying to run away, shoot a freezing arrow in front of them in the direction they are running. Lock and Load becomes enabled. Two instant arcanes and a kill shot... Looks pretty good to me.

Kommentar von 187423

may turn out useful for cc, seeing that we freeze it where it stands giving us time to let it walk to us and get traped again, or letting the the tank (lets say palidin) grab it first and then firing one of these in the path of a mob, letting him still have aggro control and freezing the target still, like a mages polymorph. I dont really see this as a bad thing.
but I agree in pvp its pretty useless

Kommentar von Kiayateo

I've found this spell to be very useful. In heroics where the tank marks and pulls, as opposed to charging in half-*!@#ed, it was very easy for me to place the trap at range within the path of the mob I needed too. The best part was that since the aggro from pulling was all on the tank, when the trap broke, the mob ran to the tank, instead of me or a healer.

It requires just a little bit of intelligence to use this spell properly for CC, but then again I guess there are few hunters who actually have enough brains to use it properly.

Kommentar von Harpy87

I'd say it has quite a few uses in PvP.

I'd fire it after some1 chasing me on mount and have them fight on my terms.

I'd fire it in the middle of a charging mass of players, interrupt just a single one, and then spam 2 Explosive Shots in the midst for some series aoe damage.

I'm just wondering if this can be used in raids for proccing LnL on bosses immune to freezing. Has there been any testing in this area?

Kommentar von 39536

The hate is because it's a BS ability. We get some watered-down CC that we were able to do just fine without, while looking at the other level 80 abilities:

Deathknights - Army of the Dead. This ability, while I acknowledge it does have limited practical applications, is awesome. I mean, I would gladly take some analog of this where we summon an army of critters or something.

Druids - Nourish. This is also kind of limited as if you're dpsing then you aren't really looking at heals, but it's twice the power of flash of light, and adds another quick heal to the resto druids' spell book. It's a solid ability. Nothing REALLY special or cool, but still more useful than failing arrow. Would I like this more? Yes, but I accept the fact that part of the meager amount of skill in playing a hunter is that you have no self-heals, only mend pet.

Mages - Mirror Image. This is on par with Army of the dead in coolness factor, especially with the combos you can pull off properly specced. Again, I would gladly take some analog, even if it just made a single copy of your pet or something.

Paladins - Sacred Shield. Not only does it provide a shield, but it also adds 50% chance to crit on flash of light, making it amazing for pally healers and still useful for soloing. It's a decent ability, not some lame re-hash of something they already have.

Priests - Divine hymn. This is a fantastic healing ability, especially with the current AoE intense approach to instances and raids.

Rogues - Fan of knives. Ignoring the fact that an AoE attack is really not the sort of thing that seems appropriate to their class, this is an amazing ability, even at 50 energy. It doesn't even have a target limit, and if you want you can macro it to swap out weapons before you use it, allowing you to over-inflate the damage.

Shaman - Hex. Targeted CC that doesn't break if you happen to touch the target? I don't care that it works only on humanoids and beasts, I would still gladly take this over failing arrow, especially ar 3% base mana and with only 1.5 second cast time, which is much better than an "instant" that has travel time + arming time.

Warlocks - Demonic circle. You have no idea how much I would love this spell. The casting time is negligible, and it has a shorter cooldown than disengage. What hunter wouldn't want this? It will even work around corners. Hunters could actually function in arenas with this!

Warriors - Heroic throw. Finally warriors have a ranged pull. Taunt has a range now, and they could always use a throwing weapon or ranged weapon, but this lets them keep taunt available for if some fool ranged dps starts in too early. Also, it actually shows your own weapon flying through the air! Think about how sweet this must look with some of those massive freaking weapons warriors carry around! I'd even like this, if we got some sort of ranged attack we could at least add to our rotation. Think about the laughs as everyone's dpsing some massive boss and out of nowhere you throw a stat stick at it. lulz all around.

So in conclusion, freezing arrow sucks. It is hands-down the WORST level 80 ability, out of any class.

Kommentar von Oakshand

the only useful way to use this ability would be for casters either in pvp or pve but still i think its pretty cheap that they just gave us an old ability but now its at range but it has a delay so hitting anything not pulled is next to impossible it shares the CD with the trap so no chain trapping and it barely has a use in pvp once people get used to it because you can just sidestep and it will just sit right next to you while the hunter dies and you nuke him

Kommentar von bleu

Does anyone have a definitive list of what Hunter talents affect Freezing Arrow, or can be triggered by it?

Kommentar von 146819

No non-Huntard can deny that it's better than the hassle of having to drag a mob into the trap. Using the old method you'd have to run through a fight to place a trap (a hit to your DPS, and potentially dangerous against powerhouse mobs with AoEs like Cleave), or find some way to drag the mob into the trap (even with the change to Distracting Shot this is going to be a problem in some cases).
With this, you can freeze one mob right away and pretty much ignore it until you need to either kill it or CC it again.

Kommentar von alcapowned123

Good god, man, punctuation!

I completely agree , I'm sure some grammar teacher is turning in his or her grave.

P.S
:o I don't think he ever took grammar class on run-on sentences or comma splice errors.
A prerequisite for playing WoW or writing anything should be that you can at least know how to put commas.

Kommentar von 369108

Many good suggestions for making this ability actually useful ( mainly making it instant freeze ) but Blizzard arent exactly known for implementing even tiny improvements suggested by players to their bastard child classes.

Easiest way to make this useful? remove it from the trap CD.

Kommentar von 384868

We can now get two kinds of fire works, Orangish Flare and now !Blue Flare! yay

Kommentar von CaptainFlameGuy

I mean, real hunters often hide, merge in background, waiting for theyr prey... I think it should be usefull for hunters:)

This is one of the main reasons why I picked the Night Elf race for my hunter. :)

Kommentar von toastmaster7727

Wow. Just looking back at some of the intended plans Blizz had for hunters before WotLK. Camouflage was definitely overpowered. Is a hunter there, or is he not there? Major PvP advantage. Also, shootable traps. It's not like hunters already have enough damaging interrupts and annoying abilities that can be flung from 40 yards away. /sarcasm.....

Kommentar von 548922

Rogues were, in fact, the last class to get an aoe. :P

what aoe have dps warriors ever gotten? and dont even try saying thunderclap

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