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Kommentar von Hyde

How embarasing is it to get moonfire spammed to death? If your specced balance and you have to chase someone.. usually thats what happens. Can't stop to cast roots, can't travel form to catch up.

Kommentar von 35857

Wow... I love this spell coupled with Starfire against rogues... This + Fairy Fire + Starfire Spam = No chance. All in all I love to spam this spell against flag carriers! Lol.

Kommentar von Foxpaw

lol, boomkins. lol, lazers from space.

This spell is the reason why when I see a moonkin in a BG, I will FARM kills off of it.

Kommentar von 69592

Moonfire spam is mana-inefficient and a poor way to deal damage. It's only advantage is in its speed. Imo, you should either Roots+Starfire, or Wrath+Moonfire if you're Balance-specced.

Kommentar von 72366

Basics of this Talent for new Druids:

-A simple damage spell used most often used after the initial cast.
-Very mana hungry, use only to assist your total output, not as a primary source. I is very helpful in burning down runners.
-Has a DoT (dmg/time) effect that will start three (3) seconds after the target has been effected.
-At higher levels, this spell should be downgraded if you decide to spam it. This will allow the DoT aspect to continue while the instant damage will be in place.

Kommentar von frmorrison

This is a mana intensive spell, but with talents (10% more crit), it gives you a good chance to proc Nature's Grace (0.5 off your casting time), which helps you cast Starfire.

It is also the only direct damage spell casting druids have, so it is infamous for being spammed by soon to be OOM druids.

Kommentar von 21328

Moonfire Spam is imba. Don't forget the best druid spell ;)

(just joking. Wrath spam it's much better for burst dmg)

Kommentar von 132335

Really to be honest this spell takes up mana and its just really really Noobish spell to cast.

Kommentar von 156400

balanced durids are for moonfare spam!

Kommentar von 218473

TIP:spamming this ability over and over again is NOT advisable in PvP

Kommentar von 152722

Moonfare is fore fite!

Kommentar von Teradon

For leveling, I'd say it's completely useless. (Burns mana ..)
As a Tauron, I'd rather melee fight - even as a Moomkin!

Kommentar von 124694

Talents which can affect the damage of this spell (directly, not counting improvements to spell power, e.g. Lunar Guidance):
Genesis - dot portion of damage increased by 5% :: 5 points (very marginal, most balance druids will skip this talent as it is very underbudgeted for damage)
Improved Moonfire - 10% increased critical strike chance :: 2 points
Nature's Splendor - 3 second increase of dot portion :: 1 point (not counting prerequisite
Vengeance - crits cause 200% base instead of 150% base damage :: 5 points
Moonfury - flat 10% damage increase :: 3 points
Moonkin Aura - 5% increased chance to crit :: 1 point
Earth and Moon - Flat 13% increase damage :: 3 points (although 2 may be passable).

The question: to glyph or not to glyph?
Glyph of Moonfire

Increases the periodic damage of your Moonfire ability by 75%, but initial damage is decreased by 90%.

Base damage calculations:
441 average initial damage - 36%
800 dot damage ---------------- 64%
1241 total average damage

However, the initial damage can cause a critical strike for double damage (talented). Additionally, the Nature's Splendor talent adds 3 seconds, which is 1 tick, an additional 200 damage.

Adjusted damage calculations (assume 25% crit)
441 * 1.25 = 551 initial - 36%
1000 dot damage ------- 64%
1551 total average damage
Unchanged. More critical strike will tip the scales toward the initial damage.

Applying the glyph, the damage calculations are as follows:
55.1 inital damage
1750 dot damage
1800 average damage, a 16% increase.
Considering that the dot portion already receives a higher % of the spell damage, a druid would have to approach very near a 100% critical strike chance to make this glyph anything but a solid dps increase.

This lends strong credibility to a different playstyle. That is, glyphing for Moonfire and Starfire and attempting to keep the moonfire dot up as much as possible. The major problem with this is the Eclipse talent, which I believe has been theory crafted to be a non-trivial damage increase, even if lost casts and latency are taken into account.

If the goal of the druid becomes to spend as much time on starfire and 100% moonfire uptime (i.e. using both glyphs), then said druid can essentially ignore the Eclipse talent. This opens up the following spec: 55/0/16.

I believe that the combination of Eclipse, Nature's Grace, and innate high Druid crit chance will make the power of Moonfire -> Eclipse (wrath, granting 30% starfire crit) -> Nature's Grace'd starfires too good to ignore.

I would love to hear counter-arguments.

Kommentar von 63558

The way your thinking is still the BC bias about wrath it sounds like. wrath is better dps from what i tested on the dumbies in org. the glyphs i use are Insect Swarm, Moonfire, and innervate glyphs. From what i have been able to see i start off the fight spamming starfire till i can get my eclipse to proc and swich over to wrath for the duration of the buff. While im doing this i keep up IS&MF best i can. After eclipse wears out though i continue to spam wrath untill ecplise proc's again and i continue to repeat this.

Please take into account that you will need to have some mana giving class (like ret pallies, shadow priests) as this uses up a lot more mana then the starfire spam spec. The reasons i think this is a better dps spec is because nature's grace is a static .5 faster casting no matter how fast the cast. so taking .5 off a 1.5 cast is a one third drop in casting time. Where as that same amount for starfire from 3.0 to 2.5 is only a one sixth drop. Throw in the fact blizz spesificly put in the fact nature's grace lowers wrath's GCD by 50% and thats how u make this a viable spec.

The only problem is I now can basicly only stack crit.

Also if its not a fight with a huge amount of aoe dmg i'll low in the treants along with starfall.

If you wish to debate (Moondude lvl 80 tauren) (server-Mok Nathal)

Edit: Marked down the above post because you didnt spec into imp moonfire. if you test the talent you actually find out it increases your DOT dmg which is pretty much what your trying to push in your post.

Edit2: Went back to test the dps on test dumbies.
my current stats are. Spell Dmg=1882 Hit chance=8.2%(not including talents) Crit chance=26.65% (In moonkin form, no other talents calculated in.) Haste=6.01%

I spammed spells untill i went oom. DPS was ~2.7k
Count Wrath casted 50times Starfire casted 11 times Insect swarm(dot tick) 59 times
Moonfire(dot) 39 times Moonfire initial dmg 10 times

Wrath Crit 38% of time Top hit=8233 Avg. 6084
Hit 62% of time Top hit=4190 Avg. 3121
Starfire Crit 45.5% of Time Top hit=9138 Avg. 9032
Hit 54.5% of Time Top hit=4561 Avg. 4497
Moonfire(dot) Top hit=1231 Avg.1076
Insect Swarm Top hit=897 Avg. 788

The reason there is a Top hit on my Dot's is because my passive trinket proc'd causing slightly higher ticks then normal.

Just a quick break down. the reason i try to get Eclipse to give me the 20% more wrath Dmg is really simple. I want This because since my chance to Crit with Wrath is over 30% chance the odds of me criting 1 of the 2 Wraths I cast during the 3secs starfire takes is actually more dmg. i'll give u an example starfire avg crit was 9032 compared to 1 wrath crit 6084+3121(1 non crit)=9205. So its actually slightly more DPS.

About Insect swarm, yes i do put it up. It looks like it does less dps but remember it ticks faster then Moonfire does.
Moonfire 3sec tick 12sec duration. 12/3=4 4 times 1076=4304
Insect Swam 2sec tick 12sec duration. 12/2=6 6 times 788 =4728 So it actually does more DPS then moonfire's Dot. This is not however counting the initial dmg which was Avg. 262hit 543Crit. (I am glyphed for both BTW) just showing you yet agian speed of somthing easily can make it better :P

The real thing u should be looking at is the Avg. dmg each spell was doing. Wrath did avg less dmg in both Crit and normal hit, but wrath is a 1.5 to starfire a 3.0. Wrath hitting at twice the speed was still only about 1000dps less, and the crit difference was only ~800dmg difference. I will say i did try to get wrath to fget that 20% bonus dmg and i hope after reading this you can see why this is much more affective then going for the 30% crit for starfire. Sure it is good it would bring me to over 60% crit chance. Compared to a spell that gives you 20% more dmg and has about a 30% crit chance its more dps. I know it doesnt look like its worth the effort for trying to Squeeze a few more dps out of your rotation. Remember this, this i am not even full epic'd yet and i can already see wrath outdoing starfire. Think about what it will be like with more gear and you'll see the difference alot more.

If you wish to debate (Moondude lvl 80 tauren) (server-Mok Nathal)

Kommentar von 124694

Edit: Marked down the above post because you didnt spec into imp moonfire. if you test the talent you actually find out it increases your DOT dmg which is pretty much what your trying to push in your post.

Yeah, I'd mark me down for that too. On to the edit button . . .

Edit: You seem to think the 20% increased wrath damage effect is more powerful than the 30% increased starfire critical chance. Why?

Disclosure: I am fairly stuck in TBC for moonkin as my druid is only level 73 atm and will likely switch resto upon dinging 80. My interest is purely academic, and as such solid information pretty much trumps everything I can say. (I'd love some numbers from your target dummy tests.)

Kommentar von 169285

The spell power coefficient currently functions on two aspects.
Damage over time and Direct damage.

DOT-52%
DD-15%

http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient

Kommentar von tarunloko

This says it all..

Kommentar von Iamnatman

As of patch 3.0.8, they've changed the moonfire animation.

Here's a link to what it looks like now:
(deleted link)

imo, I think it looks a whole lot cooler now. ;)

Edit*
i deleted the link, it was dead. there's a pic of it in the photos above though. =)

Kommentar von 326508

also at early lvls MF is VERY inefficient. Its too expensive and does not add much dps use only after you get some significant int from gear

Kommentar von 421339

^&*!@es don't know about my moonfire spam

Kommentar von 457013

On a (lore) mechanic note: It appears that moonfire "works" by first sending up an initial blast of energy: hence, why it appears to hit the enemy with a smaller beam that then grows upon the actual hit - quite similar in mechanic to a lightning bolt in the real world. Thus, i devised the following scenerio of its mechanic (for anyone wanting to have a snobby know-it-all character for RP servers):

The druid sends a concentrated bolt of arcane energy into his/her target, and beseeches Elune. Due to the affinity of the moon and arcane energy - and druid connection with the emerald dream - some of this initial bolt is drawn up toward the moon (this is when the upstroke occurs), and this "closer" moon reflects the upstroke of arcane energy back onto the target with the addition of the power of Elune (the initial strike). Any of the remaining arcane energy within the foe is slowly burned away (hence the dot).

/rp off.
//downrate if need be... i just found the fact blizzard included an upstroke to the attack was very, very interesting

Kommentar von hypehuman

Check out the new Wrath of Cenarius talent from the Cataclysm alpha. Moonfire spam, here I come!

Kommentar von 597315

I agree as far as the spamming goes... But don't get caught up in Solar Eclipse Mode When you are in an area that has Elemental NPC's such as Ionar in the Halls of Lightning for example and other places. What happens is it turns your Moonfire Arcane Damage into Sunfire Nature Damage in which Elementals are Immune to it. It should allow you to decide what DOT spell you can use. It seems that this patch has not been for the better so far. And don't even get me started on Thorns. A 20 sec Buff with a 45 sec CD. C'mon now, Druids got the short end of the stick here.

Kommentar von MordainThade

Duration has been increased to 18 seconds as of 4.0.1

EDIT: This is due to the Genesis talent.

Kommentar von 303818

Restoration druids in Cata:

Note that Insect Swarm is considerably cheaper than Moonfire or the very expensive Regrowth. Use your free haste trinket (1-minute cd) from Nature's Grace wisely while you wait for Tree of Life (3-minute cd) to become available.

Kommentar von guatafu

It's the only way to be sure.

Kommentar von MawuKJ

In MoP, Starfire and Wrath crits will now extend the durations of Moonfire and Starfire respectively by 2 seconds.

Also Starsurge will proc off of DoT crit ticks rather than all ticks.

It's looking like crit will become a good stat for us to have again.

Will we possibly be seeing the return of the Crit-chicken?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Moonfire is absolute my favorite balance attack ^^ If a humanoid run away for help i moonfire them some times, and hopefully, they die before getting help ^^

Kommentar von Thottbot

Moonfire is GREAT with entangling roots&faerie; fire, pardon me for using this particular moonfire lol.
It's also great for when beasts run away becuz it's instant cast and you can use it while running!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Root
moonfirespam
dead

Kommentar von Thottbot

i know ill just keep dieing doing this but i feel like i should lvl up my druid a lot set this rank 1 moonfire onto my bar, and just go into a bg only using this rank on moonfire spamming it. They won't take much dmg but it would be funny and id have lots and lots of mana to do it so that i won't get out of mana

Kommentar von Thottbot

done a lot of WSG but never seen Moonfire before until a couple of days ago, i know spamming it isnt recomended unless u have a lot of mana or are dying and wanna give a FC a scare, but man it looks COOL, a blue blast coming down verticly makes you stop in mid fight with a WTF? in a bubble above your head lol

Kommentar von Thottbot

that the best for peeps running away entangle them and spam moonfire and the dot with take car of the rest

Kommentar von Thottbot

rule 1 of being a druid: NEVER SPAM MOONFIRE!

ok with that out of they way, yes it's nice spell, but it only does 1/3 of it's damage on cast so if you let it run it's course you get more out of it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

also entangling roots has a chance to break on damage, so DoTing a rooted target is, at best a gamble

Kommentar von Thottbot

i have a 68 balance druid and the only time i spam moonfire is;
1) when a mob has a tiny bit of health left and i'll be stoppping to drink anyway so dont need to conserve mana, i might pop it off before the previos moonfire has expired.
2) in PVP, again when they are at low health and/or when they are running but too far away to stop and cast roots (do this especially with mages who can blink out of roots)

but i only use these steps when they are at low health and/or i dont care about wasting mana, (to give u an idea of how much health they have, i normally spam it two or at most 3 times)

well anyway thats they're the only times i spam, and thats just my opinion/play-style. thanks for reading my comment

P.S. if you moonfire some of the small critters (only works on some) eg: cockroach then the moonfire annimation isn't at normal size, it does a tiny little moonfire spell over the target which is quite fun lol.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Hehe yeah I like to HolyFire the tiny little spiders in Kara. It's like a tiny weeny flash of light

Kommentar von Thottbot

i am a fereal druid and i am always at full mana so spamming moonfire isn't a problem hehe

Kommentar von Thottbot

This spell is so great im thinking of making macro

/cast moonfire
/cast moonfire
/insect swarm
/cast regrowth

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Kommentar von Thottbot

Spamming level 1 moonfire on ~30 level lower players 'till they die ftw.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ive got a lvl 19 Tauren druid and i cant get this spell....if it isnt Night Elf only how do you get it?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Yep

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire, Moonfire...

Dear god, this is easily one of the most annoying spells... Right up there with Deathcoil, Hammer of Justice, and Earthshock. =_=

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Moonfire is the druid's best friend. Keep rank 1 around at higher levels to knock shaman totems out in PvP.

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