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Kommentar von Allakhazam

Don't forget the frozen-shadow weave set is shadow dmg only, and shadow priest shadow weaving is shadow dmg.

You have to stack this up against the less common fire-extra-bonus dmg gear and a mage's fire dmg bonus.

shadow dmg ftw, unless you want to spec destro/fire for places with especially fire succeptable mobs (like SSC)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

is this even worththe extra dest points? does it out dmg sb?

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I think this will do a bit more DPM than a Shadowbolt though, so for longer fights this seems to be the way to go. And with a DS/SnF build, who'd want to go shadow? just sacc your Imp and you have 15% extra damage. Just a thought, this is the spell that makes it viable. We actually needed this so bad.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

People have questions about this spell, and although I'm not 70 yet I'll say a couple things:

1) With Immolate on it averages 590 dmg
2) +10% fire spell damage talent
3) Create Firestone rank5 = +30 fire spell damage (but lose 1% crit without Spellstone)

All that = an average of 680 damage per hit while target is immolated.

Rank 11 Shadowbolt = 572 dmg average. Yes, improved SB gives +20% to that which is 686 dmg but only a few times after criting.

Both of them can get +15% damage from Demonology spec sacrifices. So I won't count that.

What is REALLY good about this spell (other than it's awesome looks when cast) is the fact that it has the same damage, but uses 355 mana vs. 420 mana. Thats 65 LESS mana per cast (which adds up quickly over a long fight).

I have always said Shadowbolt either needs a higher rank or less mana to be as good as it should be. Also the talent for 5% less mana in the Descrution tree should be improved to 10% or do less threat or something too. Because its just useless.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i was actually doing a boss tonight and a question popped up about this ability
i'm a fire lock and loving it although Sb's is more powerful base then incin even with the immolate buff
but i saw that the spell increases damage with immolate effecting the target(even if it's not you're own), does that increase stack if there is more then 1 immolate on the target?
i just had noticed tonight that it said "an immolate" meaning that it doesn't have to be yours so the question just popped up

Kommentar von Allakhazam

its used by any spec, but i'd say that it cant outdamage shadow bolt in a normal situation. they both get the +20% extra off spell damage effects due to the one talent, but shadow bolt also gets the +20% total buff from critting. add in that you need to have immolate to get the extra hundred or so damage (more time), and the fact that at best it will come out even until you would have landed a crit. what's nice about this though, is that its a decent damage fire spell that doesnt have a cooldown (soulfire) and doesnt draw unecessary aggro (searing pain). so as far as i'm concerned... save it for when you're fighting a mob that resists shadow damage, or for when you want to mess with it due to its cool animation (a wave of fire goes out over the ground and hits the target, little more interesting than SB's bolt).

oh. with 5/5 to get +10% fire damage, it MIGHT be able to edge out SB until that above-mentioned crit.

Edited, Jan 30th 2007 11:58pm by XenoxAoA

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm a level 70 lock with +700 spell damage and this regularly crits for over 2000 damage. Only trouble is, if I chain cast it, I'll pull agro off my Felguard.

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if you can do 2000crit damage with a demonology lock,a destro lock may hit 3000 plus with the same 700dmg bonus

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firelocks do crit 3k+ with this. go check out some 70 firelock pvp wihtout decent gear. But a demonlock that crits over 2k is great, since they cant have ruin and felguard at the same time

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No you cant u need 41 points for fel guard and 21 points for ruin. Thats 62 points, at 70 u have 61 points(70-9). So you need to be level 71 to have them both

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yea, its like in every talent tree like that, so the combinations wont be overpowered..

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This spell looks cool =-D

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yea, blazing fire :)

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this spell kicks major ass!

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eh how about a 4k crit? im a fire lock with full spellstrike

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This spell was designed in my opinion to counter shadowbolt for firelocks, kinda like frostbolt for mages, Incinerate does bout the same base dmg as shadowbolt but I think it gets less percentage from spell damage.Overall, shadowbolt replacement for firelocks and decent for normal destructo locks

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Excellent skill. Curse of elements + immolate + 3x incenerate and finish with conflag = ^&*!@#ed damage. IMO Fire locks are way underrated.

And fire mages love you too :D

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got critted 4600 with this and immolate on.

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So what do you guys think puts forth more dps, incinerate spam or shad. spam?

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it depends if u got all fire talents in destruction incinerate is more mana efficient and does more mana. however if u got imp shadowbolt it becomes better overall after all. not sure if u need a lot of +dmg for the shadowbolt to work that way but thats what I heard.

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Incinerate is an impovement over SB if you dont have Bane. 2.5 second cast for for incinerate vs. 3 second cast for SB means more DPS for incinerate. Also, the base damage with incinerate is slightly higher than SB if you have immolate up on your target. In my opinion this spell is better than SB if you didn't spend the 10 points to get Bane. There are of course lots of factors in play here like wether CoE or CoS, or both are up on the target, your +shadow damage vs. your +fire damage and your other talents besides bane.

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In order to maximize the damage done by this spell, you need to use a firelock spec such as this:

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=IZdxczIbzZVx0tr0tVuV

+10% damage from Emberstorm

+15% Fire damage from sacrifcing your Imp.

+100% damage if you CRIT.

You already have 1.5k damage and I didn't even add Spell Damage, Fel Armor and Shade&Flame.;

Kommentar von Thottbot

This only works in PvE because if you sac your imp you will be alone in PvP...not saying you should use any pet beside imp in PvP...preferably Succ or Fel Hunter.

If you want PvP go for the Shadowfury spell for more contreol...you don't have a instant howl of terror now...

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