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Kommentar von Silvertusk

This is a very decent spell regardless of your spec; though being Arcane certainly makes this thing that much better.

It excels at dealing exceptionally high damage for a very low mana cost; anything beyond the first cast is, essentially, a waste of mana - unless you're trying to quickly burst down an opponent regardless of how much mana you're spending.

The best way to use this is to alternate your casting.

This is easy for PVE: start off with a Frostbolt or Slow, then cast Arcane Blast, then Arcane Missiles. When Arcane Missiles wears off, cast another Frostbolt or Frost Nova and move or Blink away. Cast Ice Lance (if you learned it and have 5 points in Ice Shards) until enemy is dead. If the enemy isn't dead by the time the freeze effect breaks, cast Arcane Blast again and finish them off. Hopefully they'll be dead by then. (Note: Recast Frostbolt/Slow as needed.)

I can't describe a proper method for PVP, as tactics change for each class and I don't have the kind of time to go through each one! However, a variation of the above method works well against some classes.

Kommentar von drako

Ever since i saw the new talents and spells in BC i wanted to try an arcane build with arcane blast/arcane missles. I specced arcane @ lvl 64 and been trying arcane ever since (i'm 70 now for a while). After long time tests my conclusion is this :
- arcane build is still useless for pve/raid
I have 10k+ mana self buffed and ~13k raid buffed. ~1k spell dmg raid buffed. I figured the best way to efficiently use arcane spec is to alternate arcane blast and arcane missles. It works pretty well tbh, i never get more than 1 debuff which is acceptable. The only issue which is major is that i still run out of mana, even with a pretty high mana pool and arcane meditation, and raid mana regen ...
Considering the fact that many raid fights last very long (even close or over 10 minutes) an arcane mage can't keep up dps over 10 minutes. At least i can't.
The sad thing is that T5 buffs/debuffs even more arcane blast :<
Well these are my personal opinnions and you may prove wrong but me, i'm gonna try an arcane/frost spec.

Kommentar von 46833

Well I currently spec 58/0/3(lower ice.fire spell cost.)
And I I found good way to reduce mana cost, and still keep damage.
AB+AB(gives 2 debuffs)+Scroch+FBall+FBall then repeat

When Clearcast Proc's Ap+tinkets Free AMat 1k-1.2k per hit, and 1.7k-1.9k crits, the best I had so far is 5x2.1k over 10k damage for free.
you can look at my stats on armour to check my arcane speced gear. Maddy - Ravencrest.

Kommentar von 71413

thx mynea was just thinking about that ;D

Kommentar von 31067

with +547 arc spell dmg at lvl 70 my mage hits around 1.1K non-crit with Arcane blast and twice that with spell power when criting - something he does quite often with 30% + 6% (from talent) spellcrit.

one of the best mage spells atm for raid bosses and even instance bosses

Kommentar von Dorothea

Calculations aside, cause i cant care to much. This spell proved very useful if used correctly.

Example is the fight against Alar, fire immune boss for those who dident know. Anywho, fire is and allways will be the best damage spec (10/48/3) for raiding against almost all bosses and encounters in the game.

Anywho, start off with 2 casts of arc blast, and while the debuff is fading, use frost bolts, cast arcane missiles when clearcast has procced.

Even though your not solely using arc blast, it will deal the majority of your damage as clearcast is random.

Yes as a fire specced mage against a boss like alar, you will not top the dmg meters, but you will do a reasonable enough amount against this somewhat easy boss to save yourself the need to spec frost.

Kommentar von 112286

Not to be brat or anything, but why does so many do calculations on the debuff for the 4th and 5th cast when the skill note says that the "buff/debuff" only stacks 3 times?

Guessing it was changed at some point but I'm imagening that this could be shot off more than 3 times in a row to get a very high dps for short fights, since it's got half the casting time compared to imp. frostbolt/fireball.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Kommentar von Xhurin

Being a 40/0/21 spec, Draining 60% of my mana in 2 mins is not unheard of if I really want to:

People say this spec takes way too much mana, which may be true, but the DPS is insane.

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1.5 Sec cast - 30% from Bloodlust - 20% from Icy Veins - 15% from Haste Rating*
+ 30% Mana cost + 20% Mana Cost from T5 2set Bonus + the 225% Mana cost = OOM

BUT: +30% Damage From AP + 20% Damage from T5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Without the 2 Piece T5 Bonus, and gear not extreamly good, Pre 2.4 Badge Gear, Spellfire, I can Peak at about 1400 DPS, averaging out about 1k Even. With the changes to Evoc Being 60% of your mana (Switching to an "Of Int" MH/OH with +30int chant gives you an even higher boost), The change to the Highest mana gem having 3 Charges, and a Pot cooldown, I dont have too big of a mana problem.

Also this build Should use Mage Armor instead of Molten for the Extra Mana Regen, Most mages will have 20-25%ish Crit chance Buffed without Molten. An Extra 6% from Talents Puts you at 26-31%.

Stack 3 Charges > Macro PoM, AP, IV, Trink, Mana Gem (with 2 Piece T5 you will Drain your mana Far enough to use it), Etc all together > Go Nuts... Evocate > Cold Snap > Stack 3 Charges > IV and Go nuts again. If you run out of mana, Cast a Down Ranked Spell (I use R1 Frostbolt) to Proc Clearcasting, or just Wait till the Debuff Wears Off and Hit AB Again.

With salv and the Amazing 40% reduced threat Talents you should have, Most tanks will be able to hold the TPS.

I Havent Tried This Past T4 Content, but Have a Mage in my Guild Who has had it Post T5 Content, and it has Worked So far. So it Is a Viable Spec.

*Dont Knock it. Haste Rating FTW if you have a healthy Hit Cap and +Dam, and Yes i have seen 15% Spell haste.

Edit: Spelling

Kommentar von Thottbot

Pretty sure Blizz will nerf this eventually - it's overpowered at the moment.
Of course, as a 65 mage I don't mind an overpowered spell.
This is THE fastest damage/time spell in the game at this point.

Arc Missiles costs 685 mana by the time you get Arc Blast, which is very close to the maxed out mana cost for Blast - the difference is you're immediately able to cast 2 blasts in the same time it takes to channel 1 Arc Missiles, and the blasts don't do much less damage than the total caused by all the arcane missile bolts.

When the speed is maxed out, you can cast 3 blasts in less than 5 seconds, with it hitting regularly for over 1000, and critting for much more. That's 3000 damage in 4.5 seconds without crits, and 5000-6000 damage with crits. Yes, you'll be spending triple the amount of mana in those 4.5 seconds than you would if you used Arc Missiles - but you're doing two to three times the damage in the same amount of time.

I'm a frost mage, so I use this primarily against mobs that aren't affected by my slowing spells and frost novas (low probability crits = low damage). It doesn't seem to draw much aggro, either - in a two man group, I was able to get about 7 or 8 of these fired off before the mob even looked my way, and I was spamming continuously.

Sure, you're going to run out of mana fast, but you're going to deal so much damage so quickly, that it's perfect for encounters with single elite mobs.

But don't get too used to it - I feel a nerf coming around the corner.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Clearcast Ftw!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Does this spell get consistant +spell damage from items or do you get less for each stacking cast?

Kommentar von Thottbot

When you are in a group and use this as your main nuke, inform your priest/paladin to not dispel or cleanse the debuff stack.
I guess it was made a debuff so that it doesn't get purged or dispelled in PvP.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Level	Spell	Mana	Cast	TotalDmg	DmgPerMana	DmgPerSec
70	Fire Blast 9	465		725	1.559	725
64	Arcane Blast **	487.5	1.5	700	1.436	467
65	Cone of Cold 6	645		429	0.665	429
70	Arcane Explosion 8	545		392	0.719	392
64	Flamestrike 7	1175	3	947	0.445	316
64	Arcane Blast	195	2.5	700	3.590	280
70	Arcane Missiles 11	785	5	1400	1.783	280
70	Fireball 14	465	3.5	899	1.753	257
70	Pyroblast 10	500	6	1421	2.130	237
70	Scorch 9	180	1.5	333	1.850	222
70	Frostbolt 14	345	3	655	1.899	218
68	Blizzard 7	1645	8	1472	0.895	184
66	Ice Lance	150		174	1.160	174

** Arcane Blast with 250% mana cost and 1.5 second cast time.

This table ignores talents/spell dmg/gear. Your milage my vary.

This shows, for absolute max DPS, completely ignoring mana costs/efficiency the best course of action is Fire blast (each time it comes up) and chain casting Arcane Blast, maintaining max debuff. Of course, you won't be doing this for very long before even 13k mana bar goes dry.
(Also managing to stay under agro during this process could be...difficult)

Also note that Arcane Blast (with no debuff stacks) is the Most efficient spell.

-xkq

Kommentar von Thottbot

For comparision, the same table, sorted by Mana Efficency

Level	Spell	Mana	Cast	TotalDmg	DmgPerMana	DmgPerSec
64	Arcane Blast	195	2.5	700	3.590	280
70	Pyroblast 10	500	6	1421	2.130	237
70	Frostbolt 14	345	3	655	1.899	218
70	Scorch 9	180	1.5	333	1.850	222
70	Arcane Missiles 11	785	5	1400	1.783	280
70	Fireball 14	465	3.5	899	1.753	257
70	Fire Blast 9	465		725	1.559	725
64	Arcane Blast **	487.5	1.5	700	1.436	467
66	Ice Lance	150		174	1.160	174
68	Blizzard 7	1645	8	1472	0.895	184
70	Arcane Explosion 8	545		392	0.719	392
65	Cone of Cold 6	645		429	0.665	429
64	Flamestrike 7	1175	3	947	0.445	316

Please note that Pryroblast calculation includes the full duration of the DmgOverTime portion of the spell. Chain casting this spell is result in less efficency.

-xkq

Kommentar von Thottbot

As a lvl 70 mage with a 61/0/0 spec, i would have to disagree with everyone who posted saying that Arcane Blast sucks. With Arcane Power, i average at 3300 per crit with this spell and crit for over 30% of the time. And i have no epic gear or anthing that you could get from tempest keep instances. Most all of my gear comes from basic rare quest rewards from the Outlands. And like someone else has already said, an arcane mage has the most mana than any other class in the game. While in a group, I can spam nothing but this spell and go through 10 lvl 70 elite mobs w/o having to evo, or pot. People are failing to realize that killing a mob faster will AT THE SAME TIME, cause you to cast less spells. Less spells equals more mana, but yes, in this case would propably be equal to the mana usage of other specs. With the exception of a full frost spec. And the thing about agrro, people are forgetting that arcane spells have 40% less threat with talents. I have a hard time trying to pull aggro with this spell. Another talent gives this spell an extra 6% chance to crit, all the time. No waiting 3 mins. for combustion. People associate 3 min. mages with PoM, why not Combustion as well? Cause last time i checked, it ALSO had a 3 min cooldown. As it has already been mentioned, and i would have to agree, this spell does have the most dps than any other spell. As an all arcane mage i am yet to be out dps'd by any other mage that i have instanced/raided with. There is only 1 mage that i have played with who even came close, and it just so happens that he is specced the same as I. Think about resistance, what mobs in the game are immune to arcane, or even have resistance to it. There are far less mobs that have this resistance than the other to schools of magic. I don't have to worry about changing to an untalented school because i'm fighting a fire or frost elemental. Going back to mana usage, has everyone forgot that mages make their own water? Sure i might have to drink a little more often when i do fell like spamming this spell, but i'm never down to wanding something because i'm out of mana. Thank you Arcane Talents.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Everybody seems to talk in this skill's page as if this is the Arcane Mage's main nuking spell.

Are you guys FOR REAL?
<warning: very long post, read at own resk XD>

I'm an arcane mage with a 45/16/0 build, yes that build is not pure arcane for I have pyro and ignite and +15% crit on flamestrike, and yes I use this spell because I'm arcane talent, and I have 6% more crit on this. But it's not AS GOOD as to make it my #1 nuking spell.

Arcane Missles is a very good combination with Blast, for Blast has 30yards range just like Missiles (that post about Arcane Blast and Fireblast is weak, you'll find yourself closing in just to get in range for Fireblast, which puts the mage in danger of AoEs, even in group pull cases, not bosses)

As I joined many Outlands instances I've been #1 in damage meter almost all the time using this strategy: Arcane Blast, Arcane Missile, Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles.... and so on. And whenever you get a clear cast DON'T - and I mean DON'T - waste it on a blast! because an Arcane Mage's Clearcast gives the mage a +30% additional crit chance on the next SPELL CAST. So, casting a Blast here is like, what, 2k to 3k damage (3k if you use Arcane Power) that's cool, everybody loves 3k, but Arcane Missiles can do like 600 damage per volley, and it's 5 shots for a total of 3k damage, assuming NONE of the volleys crits! Which exactly equals a criting Blast in this case.

While Clearcasting Missiles can do over 3k damage, maybe over 4k, because you have the +30% crit chance of clearcast, and guess what? all of the 5 volleys actually get that +30% crit chance, as confirmed by a GM (this theory is for the post that stated casting Blast on clearcast issues is good).

Do not tell me that, by spamming Blast, you get higher damage, because that is TOTALY wrong! You might get higher damage at first as a burst damage, but in long-battle scenes, that burst damage will lead you to go OOM in no time, leaving you to be a damage penalty on the team. Beleive me, I've tried spamming Blasts and I have more than 10k mana pool, I still go OOM in like 30sec from the battle start, never worked better than AM > AB > AM > AB, where you do nearly the same damage as spamming Blasts but at a very reasonable mana cost, thus keeping you still open for many more spell casts. (this is for the post that stated spamming Blasts, even after the 3rd stack of Debuff, is good)

Now, back to my strategy in casting... After throwing the first Blast, you get the "Debuff" that shortens casting time and raises the mana used, but you cast Missiles here instead, after completely finishing Missiles, you hit the Blast again, the "Debuff" is still on you and will shortens your casting time, but not taking mana as you didn't cast just yet, about 0.5 to 1sec before firing Blast, the "Debuff" wears off, returning casting duration to normal (which doesn't affect your already casted Blast) and you fire that second Blast simply without any extra mana to the spell, for the Debuff duration is simply over (TESTED, didn't ask any GM about it yet but I'm sure of what I stated here, just test it yourself to get a good proof), then you return to Missiles, and so on! While keeping in mind that you cast Arcane Missiles whenever Clearcasting appears.

Ofcourse, 61/0/0 Pure Arcane mage can do this, and can also activate Arcane Power whenever possible for extra damage, but if you notice here, Pure Arcane never really benefits from PoM, because all that he can cast is Explosion, Blast and Missiles, the first one is instant, the last one is channeled, Blast however is only 2.5sec, you don't really need PoM for that, and if you thought about Fireball here, you still do less damage because you never get Ignite state on the mob if you crit with it. While in my case, I can throw an instant Pyro every 3min, for 3k damage non-crit (reaching 5k if crit +ignite).

True, I sacrificed some of the Arcane Talents to make this build (Talent tree here), but what I sacrificed doesn't really lower my damage output, like Imp Mana shield (heh, ya, who would put in THAT?) and the thing that lowers damage by 4% (if u think about it, a 1k damage on you will become 960, BIG DEAL!) and stuff like that which doesn't serve in higher damage. Also, keep in mind that I'm still not well equiped with Blues, let alone finding Purples!

I "might" die faster than Pure Arcane mages, but I am 100% sure that I do more damage than Pure Arcane, so far at least >.>; I'm not stoning anyone in this post, and please forgive me if I did, this is my first post since I created my account today, just to give my opinion about the spell to every mage.

Then again... I might be wrong... Who knows, ya?
Thank you for reading this.

- Mon

Kommentar von Thottbot

You see, this is why people shouldn't use this site. Too many people are talking but about 3% are thinking.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I was getting tired of falling at dps behind rogues, elemental shammys, oomkins and destro-warlocks. I had tried a lot of things, including about 10 specs and spending 3500 gold on tailoring and spellfire set. I even tried the mother of all nukers, the fire spec. But mana was running low so, for the sake of long boss fights I had to switch to a 41/20/0 spec. Just fire spells with arcane bonuses, never arcane spells. I was back again on nr1 spot at damage but still it was just so much trouble getting there. I began loosing faith in the mage religion. And then I realised how stupid I had been. Having all the bonus damage from the arcane tree, I started using Arcane Blast, and never stopped using it. Rather than spamming scorches on low life mobs (40k mobs in karazhan are low life if u ask me) and having 60% mana after 4-5 mob fights, I am now nuking with Blasts until I overaggro or go beyond 2000k mana, then switch back to scorches. This leaves my 10k potential pyroblast for Curator, and still allows me to fight those long boss battles. Plus, now I don't increase the dmg of all those other lasy fire mages who never use improved scorch :) The beauty of the spell is that 40 points in arcane spec will put all your power into Blast and u can then combine it with frostbolts or fireballs. It's a blessing for all the "too much mana, too little damage" all-green mages with high intelect and low bonus damage. Learn how to use it and you'll be king of the dps-hill again :)

Kommentar von Thottbot

First time I failed with Spell Damage Coefficients counting. Now I use information from http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_Damage_Coefficients

Here you are:

Specs:
61/0/0
18/43/0
32/29/0(you have PoM here, so uselessness of Pyroblast can be called in question)
18/0/43
32/0/29

AM:
1400dmg 5sec 785mana
AB:
700dmg 2.5sec 195mana
Fireball:
815dmg 3.5sec 465mana
Frostbolt:
655dmg 3sec 345mana

Well geared TBC mage:
+1000 Spell DMG.
20% Crit.
Let's think that (s)he has like 500+ int, so Arcane Mind and Mind Mastery gives him/her like +150 Spell Dmg and 1% crit.

And here we go:

61/0/0:
+1150 Spell DMG(Mind Mastery).
27% Crit(+3% Clearcast, +1% Arcane Mind), 1.75 Multipler.
AM(142.86% Spell Dmg Coeff):
+2160.39 Spell Dmg.
3560.39dmg 5sec 832.1mana
+3% DMG, -10% mana(Clearcast)
3667.2dmg 5sec 748.89mana
AB(71.43% Spell Dmg Coeff - needs confirmation):
1521.445dmg 3sec(0.8 sec for debuff to remove) 195mana
30% Crit(not using while Clearcasting)
+3% DMG
1567dmg 3sec 195mana
Overall:
5234.2dmg 8sec 943.89mana

18/43/0:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Fireball(90% - due to Imp Fireball talent):
29% Crit, 2.1 Multipler.
+1150*0.9=1035 Spell Dmg.
1850dmg 3sec 465mana
+13% DMG, -11.7% mana(Master of Elements + Pyromaniac)
2090.5dmg 3sec 410.595mana
+15% DMG(Imp Scorch) -10% mana(Clearcast):
2404dmg 3sec 369.5355mana

32/29/0:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Fireball:
32% Crit(+2% Clearcast, +1% Arcane Mind), 2.45% Multipler.
+900 Spell Dmg.
1715dmg 3sec 465mana
+12% DMG -9.3% mana(Master of Elements)
1920.8dmg 3sec 421.755mana
+15% DMG -10% mana:
2209dmg 3sec 379.5795mana

18/0/43:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Frostbolt(71.43% - due to Imp Frostbolt talent):
35% Crit, 2 Multipler.
+1100*0.7143=785.73 Spell DMG.
1440.73dmg 2.5sec 345mana
+11% DMG -18% mana
1599.21dmg 2.5 sec 282.9mana
-10% mana(Clearcast)
1599.21dmg 2.5 sec 254.61mana

32/0/29:
+1000Spell DMG.
Frostbolt:
36% Crit(+2% Clearcast, +1% Arcane Mind), 2.25 Multipler.
+714.3 Spell DMG.
1369.3dmg 2.5sec 345 mana
+9% DMG -18% mana
1492.537dmg 2.5 sec 282.9mana
-10% mana
1492.537dmg 2.5 sec 254.61mana

Without crits:
AM: 733.44 DPS; 4.9 DPMP.
AM+AB: 654.275 DPS; 5.54535DPMP.
Fireball(18/43/0): 801.333 DPS; 6.5 DPMP.
Fireball(32/29/0): 736.333 DPS; 5.82 DPMP.
Frostbolt(18/0/43):639.684 DPS; 6.281 DPMP.
Frostbolt(32/0/29):597 DPS; 5.862 DPMP.

With crits:
AM:
3667.2*0.73+3667.2*1.75*0.27=4409.808dmg, 882DPS, 5.88846DPMP.
AM+AB:
3667.2*0.73+3667.2*1.75*0.27+1567*0.7+1567*1.75*0.3=6329.3835dmg, 791.2DPS, 6.7DPMP.
Fireball(18/43/0):
2404*0.71+2404*2.1*0.29=3170.876dmg, 1057DPS, 8.58DPMP.
Fireball(32/29/0):
2209*0.68+2209*2.45*0.32=3233.976dmg, 1078DPS, 8.52DPMP.
Frostbolt(18/0/43):
1599.21*0.65+1599.21*2*0.35=2159dmg, 863.5734DPS, 8.48DPMP.
Frostbolt(32/0/29):
1492.537*0.64+1492.537*2.25*0.36=2164.17865dmg, 865.67146DPS, 8.5DPMP.

Specs 32/29/0 and 32/0/29 benefit more from crit chanse increasement, then 18/43/0 and 18/0/43 accordingly.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ap is a 30 % damage increase for 15 seconds - every 3 minutes. Means, in a 10 min fight -> 3 times -> ~45 seconds. So that would be nearly 10 % of the fight 30% extra dmg.

And the very moment you have to wand you can consider yourself as "not usefull" for the raid. I never runned out of mana up to lady vashj, simply use mana gems&pots; on cooldown, switch to a spirit weapon for evocation, get a usefull group constellation and thats it. Short version, ap > wand spec everyday.

Kommentar von Thottbot

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/mage/talents.html?005005231220215130012510000000000 0000000000000505020012005000000000

we all know thats the spec of godz, lol!

no but seriously...HAVE YOU SEEN MY FROSTBOLT CRITS? TEH MASSACRE! i crit like over 5k with frost bolt in this build...no #$%^tin ya

Kommentar von Thottbot

As a L65 deep frost mage I got this spell at 64 and didn't know what to think about it. But I have since realised how great it is for deep frosts who like to do instances.

With 2 points in Arcane subtlety, you have -40% threat on arcane spells. By contrast, you only have -10% threat from talents on frost spells.

Assume a 2/0/59 frost mage, you have +22% damage from frost spells + 10% of item bonus on frostbolts. On trash you have extra crits for extra shatter damage, but on bosses all you have is 5-10% extra crits, because they can't be frozen.

Mode 1: Rotate Arcane Blast with Frost Bolt, for a little more damage at a little extra cost, and 12.5% less threat. Useful in the early stages, and useful against non-bosses too. And useful in PUGs with dodgy tanks ;-)

Mode 2: Max burn on Arcane Blast to finish bosses, +60% damage at only +7.5% threat. Okay, it does use up all your mana, but there's a downside to everything. If you have been frugal up to now, you will still have a full mana bar when you hit this mode.

So with Arcane Blast and 2 points in Arcane Subtlety, you get some really useful additions to your boss-killing power, and situationally it will be useful elsewhere. A great spell, and I was running out of places to put talents in frost anyway! No frost mage should ignore this spell.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Copy-Paste mostly from the old one. ;p

18/43/0:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Fireball:
29% Crit, 2.1 Multipler.
+1150 Spell Dmg.
1965dmg 3sec 465mana
+13% DMG, -11.7% mana(Master of Elements + Pyromaniac)
2220.45dmg 3sec 410.595mana
+15% DMG(Imp Scorch) -10% mana(Clearcast):
2553.5dmg 3sec 369.5355mana

32/29/0:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Fireball:
32% Crit(+2% Clearcast, +1% Arcane Mind), 2.45% Multipler.
+1000 Spell Dmg.
1815dmg 3sec 465mana
+12% DMG -9.3% mana(Master of Elements)
2032.8dmg 3sec 421.755mana
+15% DMG -10% mana:
2337.7dmg 3sec 379.5795mana

18/0/43:
+1000 Spell DMG.
Frostbolt:
35% Crit, 2 Multipler.
+1100*0.8143=895.73 Spell DMG.
1550.73dmg 2.5sec 345mana
+11% DMG -18% mana
1721.31dmg 2.5 sec 282.9mana
-10% mana(Clearcast)
1721.31dmg 2.5 sec 254.61mana

32/0/29:
+1000Spell DMG.
Frostbolt:
36% Crit(+2% Clearcast, +1% Arcane Mind), 2.25 Multipler.
+814.3 Spell DMG.
1469.3dmg 2.5sec 345 mana
+9% DMG -18% mana
1601.537dmg 2.5 sec 282.9mana
-10% mana
1601.537dmg 2.5 sec 254.61mana

Without crits:
Fireball(18/43/0): 851.2(801.333) DPS; 6.91(6.5) DPMP.
Fireball(32/29/0): 779.23(736.333) DPS; 6.16(5.82) DPMP.
Frostbolt(18/0/43):688.524(639.684) DPS; 6.76(6.281) DPMP.
Frostbolt(32/0/29):640,6148(597) DPS; 6.29(5.862) DPMP.

With crits:
Fireball(18/43/0):
2553.5*0.71+2553.5*2.1*0.29=3368(3170.876)dmg, 1122.7(1057)DPS, 9.1(8.58)DPMP.
Fireball(32/29/0):
2337.7*0.68+2337.7*2.45*0.32=3422.4(3233.976)dmg, 1140.8(1078)DPS, 9.0163(8.52)DPMP.
Frostbolt(18/0/43):
1721.31*0.65+1721.31*2*0.35=2323.7685(2159)dmg, 929.51(863.5734)DPS, 9.127(8.48)DPMP.
Frostbolt(32/0/29):
1601.537*0.64+1601.537*2.25*0.36=2322.23(2164.17865)dmg, 928.892(865.67146)DPS, 9,12(8.5)DPMP.

ZOMG Frost = the most economic spec now... But who cares. ;)

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Hmmm,

Not sure why some of you are saying that this is the best spec full stop as obviously every situation should be judged on it's merits. i.e PVP vs PVE

Anyway the best thing to do is look at Evilally's mage guide (http://www.almostgaming.com/wowguides/mage-pvp)some great advice there if you are unsure whats the best build for your mage.

Obviously if you hate Pvp 17/0/44 will be a crap build but if your into PvP this is one of the best builds around along with 0/33/28. With these specs you learn to take on 4 melee enemies at once so there great for the "you vs many situation" and large amounts of honour as you get more for taking on multiple enemies.

His guide also goes into dueling techniques for different classes so if your having trouble against that annoying shammy or rogue then check it out.

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Worked a bit tonight on sorting out the damage output of different builds.

Arcane and frost are done, fire is still under construction (needed to check some numbers). Though the talents may of course be varied a bit, the damage variables should be roughly the same.

This DO take into account +spell dmg, critical strikes, clearcasting, talents and other nice stuff and its made by letting a computer go through 1 million simulations (to neutralize random errors). So its fairly accurate.

It does not take into account hit rating, trinkets or talents like arcan power that temporarily boost damage output.

The equivalent gear at frost and fire is about 950+ spell damage. Since arcane, get a spelldamage bonus of 25% of intellect; which equals about 120+ spell dmg. And as comparison then I can mention that the dps at frost, with winters chill up, is 900 with 981 +spell damage and 19% crit.

So, buff up that Arcane Intellect and digest these digits. I will post frostbolt on the frostbolt page and fireball on the fireball page.

DPS = Damage per second
DPM = Damage per mana

The talents I link are just as a hint of what I used to get these results. You may use ignition in arcane build or whatever, in the end the damage is about the same.

Arcane - Arcane - Arcane - Arcane - Arcane
(23% crit with AM, 29% crit with AB, +45% dmg on AM, 1100 +spelldmg etc etc)
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/mage/talents.html?2050050300230150333125100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/

AB, AB, AM, Scorch (AM at clearcasting)
DPS 870
DPM 8.03
AB, AB, AB, AM, Scorch (AM at clearcasting)
DPS 910
DPM 7.47
AB, AB, AB, AB, AM, Scorch (AM at clearcasting)
DPS 960
DPM 6.7
AB spam (AM at clearcasting)
DPS 1340.8
DPM 4.32
AB spam (AB at clearcasting)
DPS 1434
DPM 3.75

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http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/mage/talents.html?005055200003015000000005552000120 0000100000000530201003000000000000

what about this?

Its a hybrid I made up and it accommodates for all my needs.

Can you guys tell my any flaws like big ones?

Kommentar von Thottbot

dont complain all other classes has some overpowered stuff like this and you just need to avoid pvping with mages until they hit 70 =P

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I tested it a few times by running it to the third debuff stack and the damage was fairly constant... I do not believe the spell damage coefficient decreases as the cast time decreases.

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my mage is currently a full 61 arcane powerhouse and this spell is one of the most mana efficent mage spell there is if u use it right.
lets compare the numbers:

Fireball
mana cost 465
dmg 801-997 (inc DoT)
cast time 3sec (with talent)

Frostbolt
mana cost 345
dmg 630-680
cast time 2.5 (with talent)

Arcane Blast
mana cost 195 (if used right)
dmg 648-752
cast time <2.5 (at one debuff)
(the arcane blast is achieved by casting while the debuff is active 4 the reduced cast time but the debuff leaves b4 it casts thus using the base mana cost)

as u can see arcane blasts mana efficency is clearly superior.

the reason most mages dislike it is it cant b spammed efficently and has 2 b used with sum finess.

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I'm a level 60 frost mage, and obviously haven't got Arcane Blast yet but, especially for soloing, I have tried fire/arcane and just found it too slow. You get continual spell pushback and it takes about twice as long to kill mobs because of this.

With frost, you get ice barrier and I can regularly get through 2 mobs one after another without it even being broken. Another thing, with Ice Shards/Frostbite/Shatter/Improved Frostbolt, I can kill mobs before they even get a chance to move.

The only advantage I see to Arcane spec is the increased mana/spell damage, which IMO is a very level 70 spec and definitely not for levelling. Even with PoM and Pyro, you only take about 1/2 of the health of a regular level 60 mob, provided it doesn't resist.

In all, the only reason I would now consider going into arcane is for the improved counterspell which I would consider almost essential in PVP.

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