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Kommentar von 12070

Currently, the only way to learn this flask is to "Discover" it. In TBC, alchemists discover the new flasks by making already known TBC potions.

Kommentar von necron

I also discovered this at exactly 340 skill while making a super healing potion.

Kommentar von 18346

Do you have to have Flask Spec?

Kommentar von Chillincold

Guide to discovering potions/flasks/elixirs/transmutes.

For the casual gamer:
- Make sure your transmutation is always on cooldown. (You would probably log in at the same time everyday for a few hours, so keep a few reagents in your bag and do a transmute everytime its up.)

- Make potions and elixirs that you use although buying them from the auction house maybe cheaper than buying the reagents. ( You would probably have a cash flow set back so my advice is to have your second profession as herbalism to have a continuous supply of your own reagents.)

- Make yourself known to your guildmates and in game friends that you are an alchemist so that when party/raid members run low on potions/elixirs you can make some on the spot and charge them for it. (Try to keep stock of vials and herbs for potions/elixirs that move fast e.g netherbloom, terocone, mountain silversage, felweed, dreaming glory, etc...)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a potion master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a casual gamer trying to be a mobile alchemy auction house, potions are the most likely item people run out of that are essential to a raid/heroic.)

For the power gamer:
- Your transmutation timer has no excuse to be up. (If you're absent minded or loose track of time, set an alarm.)

- Make potions and elixirs that suffice your usage. Craft the item of your chosen mastery. Spread your crafts on a few items so you don't flood the auction house with one item. You should be able to be the most competetive seller since your procs yield you extra items. ( After a week or two you will be familiar with the items that sell and those that dont. Make more of the ones that do sell.)

- Make macros to advertise yourself as an alchemist on general chat when you cross teritories and trade chat when ur at a major city. (I find that listing some of your best potions/elixirs/flasks helps because not everyone is an alchemist and not everyone knows the available items in alchemy.)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a elixir master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a power gamer can spread his liabilities as there are a lot more elixirs compared to potions and such a gamer would be able to gather materials to create flasks {falls under elixir mastery}.)

Tips
- Always have reagents in your bag. If you run low on bag space priorotise for reagents on tansmutations.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know prices or download a mod that helps do it for you. I have mods but I still rely on my memory for all alchemy stuff because for alchemy its not an average of price over time. Its the price on that day, that week or that month. If your server is in end game you will be looking at completely different prices of all alchemy items compared to a server that has newly begun.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know your competitiors. If you can't beat their prices make a pact with them (e.g. you make certain items they make certain items, or if you're different masteries you should recomend your fellow customers to each other.)

- {More for power gamers} Be up to date on how far and how fast your server is progressing. This way you can be the first to be there with the items. (e.g. I sold more than 250 stacks of greater arcane protection potions alothough i knew how to make major arcane protection potions. At this point in time we're 3-4 months into the expansion and most players are still trying to save up cash or simply can't afford the major potions. On my server now, most guilds dont need them for the curator fight in karazhan but before they were experienced in taking him down they we're willing to pay my outrageous prices to have an edge on the encounters.)

Kommentar von Chillincold

Dirty tricks:
Knowing the backdoors in every game and business encounter definately helps. Since this is the low down section of my thread, and undenyably unscrupulous. I will only let you in on one of the not so sinster of my plots. (For my own conscience sake I don't want to corrupt the world.)

- {For herbalists} If you know of an item that sells well but its reagents are never on the auction house, create an alternate character and park him at an auction house. Advertise items that require this reagent and sell it for double or triple the price on your alternate character so that the buyer doesn't know that its you. (e.g. Not many people know about greater arcane elixir, and its a great elixir for casters altough its a lower level elixir compared to post TBC items. I sell reagents such as dreamfoil and mountain silversage at triple the normal price on my alternate character. My customers usually ask me if they are usually that expensive, I either tell them "Yeah thats the normal price nowadays." or "Thats cheap!!")

From past experience I have to state this for my peace of mind. Please dont send me a mail or ask me for more details on the "Dirty tricks" section. Thank you for reading my post, and if you slept half way... DUDE/DUDET you missed out, what were you thinking trying to sleep in one of my lectures!

Kommentar von 30303

The only reports I hear of the "discovery" of flasks are coming from potion masters. Are there any elixir masters who can attest to this?

Kommentar von Plebeian

I'm an elixir master and have discovered 1 flask....Dunno how often or rare it is for it to happen but I've been harvesting herbs creating more to try and learn somethin new.

Kommentar von 10676

As of last week, discoveries have been disabled by Blizzard due to an exploit where if you had full bags, you could spam "create" and proc a discovery without consuming materials or actually creating the potion. I've lost the link to the forum post, but I would wait until after the next patch to try discovering again.

Kommentar von Spleener

Discoveries have been re-enabled and the chance to discover something has been substantially increased as of 2.1. So hopefully we'll see more people with this recipie now.

Kommentar von Ztrange

Discovered this while skilling with Super mana pots, and I have no specialization so far.

Kommentar von Mertens

Discovered while making Super Healing Potions. I'm transmute-specced

Kommentar von 60487

I discovered it 2 day ago , but i cannot make this flask , it's requires Alchemy lab , is that a quest or something i must learn ?

Kommentar von 52727

Where is an Alchemy Lab? Just discovered this one! woohoo!

Kommentar von 85466

Also, wowhead shows that the required skill for this potion is 360, which isn't true. I discovered it at 345, though there might be the possibility of discovering it even lower than that, I'm not sure.

Kommentar von Thale

Discovered it while making Elixir of Major Shadow Power.
Elixir Master at 375

Kommentar von Ludwick

Requirements to make a discovery

You must be crafting a potion, elixir, flask or performing a transmutation that was added in TBC.

As a rule of thumb that's anything that is learnt from a master alchemy trainer, dropped from a mob in outland or purchased from a vendor in outland. The only real exceptions are the pre-TBC flasks that have been made available from faction vendors in outland.

NOT requirements to make a discovery

You don't need to be in outland
You don't need a mastery
You don't need to be 375 alchemy
You don't need to be level 70
You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries
You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

List of recipes learned by discovery (accurate as of 29/01/2008)

Flasks

Potions

Super Rejuvenation Potion

Transmutes

Cauldrons - To discover these you need to be crafting the related major protection potion. Cauldron of Major Holy Protection is believed to be non-existent. The discovery of these recipes is much more likely.
Cauldron of Major Arcane Protection
Cauldron of Major Fire Protection
Cauldron of Major Frost Protection
Cauldron of Major Nature Protection
Cauldron of Major Shadow Protection

Kommentar von 117596

discovered at 333 Alch, lvl 60. Was making elixirs.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I discovered it while making 8 elixir of major agility

Kommentar von Allakhazam

In order to discover one of the new recipes (transmute/flask/pot) you must be making a recipe that was introduced in TBC, that is the only requirement. Transmutes seem to discover transmute recipes and pots/elixirs seem to discover flasks, from what I have read and seen there does seem to be a general correlation between what you are making and what you discover (For example, I discovered Relentless Assault while making Elixir of Fel Strength, Flask of Arcane Fortification while making Major Arcane Protection Potions) but this is debated. It does not matter where you are be it in the newbie starting zone or in The Black Temple location does not make any difference in your chance of discovering something, and what you make doesn't improve your chances either as long as it requires more than 300 alchemy to make with one exception, you discover the cauldron recipes while making the equivalent Major protection potion.

Edited, Jun 6th 2007 3:50am by jackpotmonkey

Kommentar von Allakhazam

alchemy lab is located at 43,19 Lower City in shattrath City

Kommentar von Allakhazam

alchemy lab is located at 43,19 in the Lower City in Shattrath City

Kommentar von Allakhazam

it have like a 0.5% chance to "Discover" a new potion.
You dont have to be inside of an instance.
you can be lucky making 5 pots learn a new potion or make 50000 of them.
It dosent mather what kinda potion you are making og where.

GL HF hunting it;)

Edited, Mar 12th 2007 10:56pm by AztexX

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Would anyone know if it matters what level or what type (transmute/potion/flask) of alchemy you are performing to gain such a "discovery?"

For example, could I buy enough mats to make 1000 minor healing pots and click "create all" and go AFK in hopes that I'd discover one of these new high level flasks?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Discovered while making Super Healing Potions. Took a while though.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just confirming, you do NOT need to be a master to discover receipes. Eg: don't need to be a master of transmutation to discover transmute a primal of life to primal of earth, nor do you need to have a mastery in elixirs to discover flasks. Reading posts and personal experience suggests that you generally discover receipes from the type of alchemy product you are making. I have yet to hear someone learning a flask receipe from doing a transmutation.
Hope this helps, cheers.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I was minding my own business, creating pots for my other characters when suddenly I get this message saying "DISCOVERY! - You have learned how to make through discovery" or something like that. Pow! the recipe was in my known alchemy list. Pretty cool! Anyone else ever heard of this mystical "discovery" feature?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Flask discoveries, from what I understand, are only possible to learn from Burning Crusade alchemy recipes. I don't think you can learn them from pre-BC crafting.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Which pot where u creating?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

you all forgot to mention one thing all these potions require alchemy lab.
and no one of you mentioned where do you find one

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Discovered off of making Super Restoration Potions. This one looks like it's discovered off of potions, rather than elixirs.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i discovered this while making elixir of major mageblood

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