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Kommentar von Blastor

This is a 20% haste increase, not a 20% increase in casting time.

It actually boils down to a 16.66% faster cast speed.

The tooltip will be updated in a future patch.

Kommentar von 116195

8.33 second casting time on teleport/portals..... JUST CHECKED IT OUT! im thinking twince about respecing.

Kommentar von coniferous

I know a lot of mages have been complaining that icy veins is not particularly useful, but, i've found that the 16.66% faster cast time is really nice. And increasing the amount that it freezes the enemy is a flat dps increase, epically if your specced into shatter and ice shards.

I would estimate its a 14-15% dps increase for mages while activated (assuming that you have the ice shards, shatter, and frost bite talents. )

Some handy things to know...

- Stacks with blood lust
~~- freezing effect will proc off the chilling effect of improved blizzard~~ No longer applies due to the changes in IV
~~- the freezing effect will not proc if you do not have any points into frost bite.~~ No longer applies due to the changes in IV

~~There needs to be some testing into if it will increase the casting time of channeled spells~~ Yes it will.

Pretty spiffy!

Edited for the changes to the spell.

Kommentar von 54491

imao , it is a pretty nice dps boost for frost mages in pve. just a nice combination with the eye of quigmirran+ icon of the silver crescent (two easily achievable trinkets) ur frostbolts have under 2 seconds casting time (dont mention bloodlus/heroism)

Kommentar von Blastor

The freezing effect is all but useless in a raid environment for pve due to the mob getting constantly hit by 15 other people, but the increased haste is useful.

For the shatter PvP build, the freezing effect adds a substantial amount of shatter possibilities.

All in all, this is one of the few talents that gives a great benefit to both the PvE and PvP frost mage.

Kommentar von 46812

Note that IV does not just work with frost spells, but with every spell you cast.
So you can get off a short poly or scorch too, which might be very handy for pvp situations.

Kommentar von StoneLegion

Its not a bad talent but I still recommend clear casting for leveling builds for firemages since I think you would get more out of it. This great though for pvp/raiding builds.

Kommentar von Killa

It DOES work with channeled spells, reduced Blizzard rank 2 from a 8 second cast to a 6. If it still calculates the ammount of damage for an 8s blizzard or a 6s one i dont know.

Kommentar von 121059

I could imagine that this talent will be nerfed in the future for this sole reason, i still hope that it doesnt get nerfed though, anyway, here goes:

Troll racial = 30% Less casting time
Icy Veins = 20% Less casting time (works for all moves)
Bloodlust = 30% Less casting time

This boils down to 80% less casting time if they're all stackable, which in turn provides a 1.2 second pyroblast, not counting any other spell haste items you currently have.

If i'm mistaken, please correct me. Thanks.

First post btw ^^

An example of a perfect raid dps spec that fully utilizes the above tactic is this https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=of0E00fzxIzwZxx0zZbhG0o

Again, if i am mistaken please correct me.

Kommentar von Lectris

Stacks with troll racial(berserking).

Kommentar von Mutre

I read the patch notes and it wont stack with Heroism, Blood Lust and Power Infusion (tho the last isnt a haste buff).

Kommentar von 116326

is it gd now in patch 2.4?
looks great in my point of view.. 20 secs of solid casting...

Kommentar von Flameenix

/Use Icy Veins
/Use Icon of the Silver Crescent

as a hotkey...

= Happy PvP/PvE mage. :)

(Reccomended macro).

Oh, and USE THIS WITH YOUR WATER ELEMENTAL!

Since water ele's benefit off the same trinket buffs and Icy Veins, this is especially useful! Once again for both PvP and PvE.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I think this is best used when you are completely spec'd as frost mage and have your ice barrier. The shield prevents damage from anywhere around 550-750 depending on the skills rank. It has a two minute cooldown, which obviously coldsnap could turn to zero. Not to mention it'll lower your 25-21 second cooldown on your nova.

HOWEVER, blizz has really screwed frost mages by not including ICE BLOCK as a cooldown that is effected by coldsnap. If you read coldsnap's text, i believe this to be misleading because ICE BLOCK is obviously a frost spell.

oh well, can't win them all...

btw... here's my method for AOE:

ice barrier
aggr on mount,
frost nova
get 30 yards distance (blink works, but waste of mana)
i.blizz, i.blizz
Cone of Cold
ice block
Frost nova
Cone of Cold
**Cold Snap**
ice barrier
frost nova
**evocation if needed**
get 30 yards distance
i.blizz, i.blizz
Cone of Cold

can you say exhalted with argeant dawn?

Kommentar von Thottbot

-The chicken not frost spell is, yoda said.

-Do you think he might be using bugs to his advantage? Luke said.

-not impossible that is.

Kommentar von Thottbot

im a 52 mage and i came up on that quest in un'goro i went on and completed it but i never received the cold snap spell. Did Blizzard take it away or am i missing a step?

Kommentar von Thottbot

This commentary page is about the talent "Icy Veins" now

Kommentar von Thottbot

I can confirm that as of 16/01/08 taking Icy Veins and POM will not give you an instant teleport.

The tooltip on the teleport reports it has a casting time of 8.33 seconds, but even with POM activated, it still casts as normal.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i already tried that with troll berserking and POM/teleport...

it doesn't work, by the way.

Kommentar von Thottbot

fire mage gains ice block wow imba!
so what..
frost mage gains icy veins, and they still have cold snap and 4 min ib cd
there's absolutely no point in making a fire mage for pvp.
frost>fire
enough said.

except if you dont have a girlfriend and you need to one-pyro-shot some ppl to rise your ego lol

Kommentar von Thottbot

As of now I am 50 arcane 11 fire (Arcane Missles/PoM Pyro)Spec. If you are or plan to be arcane missles spec (with a load of bonus spell damage) and you do a lot of pvp along with pve, keeping the PoM pyro is probably your best bet. However, if you plan to do almost all PVE dungeons and raids(even if you have the Spellfire set as I do), It really pays to re-think that PoM pyro and place those 11 points in frost to get Icy Veins. Using PoM pyro in raids, if your a good Mage like I am, is sometimes not the best choice for if you crit the threat will not only haunt you, but most likely kill you if you dont use Ice Block : ). Using Icy Veins with Arcane missles (and hopefully you were smart enough to put 2 points in Arcane Subtlety), will yield more and faster DPS without risk of seeing your life flash before your eyes if you got decent tank. Safe, fast, and awesome DPS during those crucial raids will really make the guild/raid leaders see you as an asset (as long as you dont brag lol). So it's just a cool thing to try out if you got the Arcane Missle spec and some high bonus spell damage. You got nothing to lose except a few gold for respec and a lot to gain. Have fun with it!

Kommentar von Thottbot

For the first time ever, I'm kinda happy that I'm a Troll Mage. I wrote a macro so now I can active this and Berserking simultaneously with one button. I call it "Icy Berzerking?" Pretty kickass combination. Almost makes up for not having Will of the Forsaken or Mana Tap/Arcane Torrent.

Kommentar von Thottbot

is there a point to this spell? I dont know of any good use for it....

Kommentar von Thottbot

The new buff is really good, Hunters will now face a mage with the ability to cast against them...

Kommentar von Thottbot

UPDATE ON THE SPELL AS OF PATCH 2.4

It now takes away the increase of chilled to hit, but now instead makes you immune to pushback on spells. This does not mean in ANY WAY that you are immune to silencing or CD attacks like kick and pummel.

This is amazing for now both fire mages and frost mages. I (as a 70 fire mage) have noticed that this is amazing for raiding and PvP as well. It's great for raiding because it signifigantly lowers your cast time for spells like fireball, scorch, frostbolt, and it may even cause arcane missiles to shoot faster. When I use this and my Quamirran's Eye procs, I have a cast time with fireball for 1.99 sec!
This is also great for PvP because it makes mages much better against hunters (especially BM) because the will not have to rely on their instant cast spells and will be able to pull off a whole 3 second cast.

But that's just my two cents...

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