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Kommentar von cruelwarlock

I found this on the Rogue forums. Reposted here.

HIT RATING
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1% hit = 15.77 hit rating @ 70
25.5% = (25.5 * 15.77) = 402.135 = chance to miss on a boss
402.135 is the number you should start from whenever calculating your miss rate

Talents to increase hit:
Precision: 5% hit = (5 * 15.77) = 78.85 hit rating
Weapon Expertise: 1% hit = 15.77 hit rating

Weapon Skill also affects hit:
1 weapon skill = .1% hit
3.9 weapon skill rating = 1 weapon skill
therefore
1 weapon skill = 1.577 hit rating
1 weapon skill rating = .404 hit rating

Using these numbers you can create the following equation:
hit needed to never miss = ceiling
Ceiling means to round the answer up.
Where your weapon_skill_rating is from items. Humans add 19.5 to this if using an applicable weapon.
Assuming your hit_rating is < 308.
If your hit_rating is >= 308 your chance to miss is 0%.

Using Latro's as an example:
307.515 - (14*.404) = 301.859
Therefore using Latro's with WEx and Precision you need 302 hit rating to never miss.

Using Fang of Vashj as an example:
307.515 - (21*.404) = 299.031
Therefore using Fang of Vashj with WEx and Precision you need 300 hit rating to never miss.

Due to numerous factors including hit rating being itemized cheaper than crit rating, combat potency, and many other proc related things hit rating is the best bang for your buck stat to itemize in the game currently for a deep combat PvE rogue. However, you should never sacrifice overall DPS for a gain in hit. One of the best way to stack your hit rating is by socketing gear with Glinting Noble Topaz.

WEAPON SKILL
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Note: 1 weapon skill = 3.9 weapon skill rating
The current iteration of weapon skill is postulated to give the following.

.1% hit = 1.577 hit rating
.04% crit = .884 crit rating
And on a boss grants an additional
.1% crit = 2.21 crit rating
For a total of:
.1% hit = 1.577 hit rating
.14% crit = 3.094 crit rating
On bosses.

What this means is that Weapon Expertise which grants 10 weapon skill equates to:

1% hit = 15.77 hit rating
.4% crit = 8.84 crit rating
And on a boss grants an additional
1% crit = 22.1 crit rating
For a total of:
1% hit = 15.77 hit rating
1.4% crit = 30.94 crit rating
On bosses.

This essentially means that Weapon Expertise is a core PvE raiding talent and should be picked up in any serious raiding spec.

This increase to crit on bosses has been assumed to make the item excell in PvE but not vastly surpass a similar item in PvP. The reasoning behind this is that 10 Weapon Skill gives 46.71 total rating (combined hit and crit) on a boss and 24.61 total rating on even level targets. 10 weapon skill is equal to 39 weapon skill rating. What this means is that you are getting more than the itemized 39 rating value on a boss, but you are very lacking on getting that value against another player in PvP. In fact that rating is nearly twice as effective on a boss.

Kommentar von Shinja

On 2.2 PTR (20007-09-08):

Fang of Vashj
Binds when picked up
Unique
One-Hand Dagger
144 - 217 Damage Speed 1.80
(100.3 damage per second)
+19 Stamina
Durability 75 / 75
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 56.
Equip: Increases dagger skill rating by 21

New Ilevel: 138 => 141
New damage: 142 - 213 (98.611 DPS) => 144 - 217 (100.277 DPS) : Raw DPS increase: 1,666
New AP: 54 => 56 : Raw DPS increase: 0,1428

Final DPS added: 1,809

Kommentar von 51621

Dropped for <The Harlequins> US Uldaman (Horde) on there very first kill of Lady Vashj on January 10th, 2008. I, Dror (Undead Rogue) was the lucky winner of this dagger - Almost immediatly noticed a difference in DPS since i equipped it.

Kommentar von 51621

Mongoose will show on this dagger (as seen in the 2nd photo) despite the green steam eminating from the dagger

Kommentar von 106886

Why is it that all the daggers you get from BC raid content are so wimpy and small? I mean, look at Perdition's Blade, or Dragonfang Blade, and then compare them to Fang of Vashj.
WTB more beefy daggers.

Kommentar von Kukulcanz

And now i have it too on Nagrand(EU), Kukulcan. Perfect Vashj kill, our second at this date.

Kommentar von 157049

This is a really good mainhand dagger for those who are Mutilate speced.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

That's from Lady Vashj in Serpentshrine Cavern (dropped for Nihilum).

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I think Blizzard need to put more effort into making its high end weapons and armour. I mean Ced's Carver a lvl 70 dagger with only 71 DPS is like this flaming black thing and even Blade of Unquenched Thirst a lvl 64 Dagger comes already with blue flames. I think this is a poor effort by Blizzard just as Tier 4 rogue and the rogue arena sets.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Whats the drop rate?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This and the Heartrazor and you are the best rogue from all ^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

For those interested in how this beauty looks like, here is an image of it renderized.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8806/fangofvashj2ms9.jpg

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 6:11am by Voxentrad

Kommentar von Allakhazam

And still 5 levels behind the highest craftable one-hands, with some of them being finished soon I guess. Really a lifetime investment.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

well, this would make a very nice addition to any rogues aresnal of stabby things :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The new best mutilate/backstab dagger, very nice top-end.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

just got this amazing dagger last night during our guilds first vashj kill. very nice damage with mutilate spec, seeing at least 3k+ mut crits with it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

VERY VERY GOOD WEAPON

Kommentar von Allakhazam

beats gladiator weapons

is it just me or is blizz starting to get out of hand with all these new items lately?

Kommentar von Thottbot

A kinda Duh'er.
but it drops from Lady Vashj in Serpentshrine Cavern

Kommentar von Thottbot

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/8/8b/FangOfVashj.jpg

Ninjaed from wowwiki ;p

Kommentar von Thottbot

After careful calcuation and comparison this baby should hit mutilate crits of 1700 tops.

My max with Malchazeen atm is bout 1550-1600 on raidbuffs (talking MH dmg only)

shadowstep ambush? >.> amg! gotta be like 4k or smth -.-

Kommentar von Thottbot

beats gladiator weapons

is it just me or is blizz starting to get out of hand with all these new items lately?

Kommentar von Thottbot

These comments are funny. I think some of you people read these all day just to find where someone misspoke or misspelled a word and then ya jump all over them to show you have a High School background. Ease up brain child. Not everyone is Harvard material. LOL

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is the dagger you don't want going into your back. With the increased dagger skill, comes increased chance at a crit strike, not to mention a nice little 50 ap bonus as well.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Wow, 98.6 DPS. Unreal. Amazing.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Coilfang 25 man raid.

Get revered with CE, do Slave pens heroic, get the quest from a guy in there (when you jump the pool take a left and POOF there the questgiver is).

-Basically Clear KZ (nightbane drops an item you need).

-Kill Gruul, he drops another item you need.

-I think theres heroic sethekk halls and shattered halls involved aswell not certain atm.

-Go back to slave pens heroic and hand in yer quest. You recieve an item that allows you to enter serpentshrine cavern.

-Go whoop Lady Vashj.

This is a bit an understatement of how to get attuned, Its not really that easy as you can imagine :P. Good luck getting it. I wasnt lucky enough for it to drop first time.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Wow at attunements for BC instances I remember the old days when u could clear BRD and get ur MC attunement and after u only needed to kill an elite to into BWL now u gotta do a !@#$ load of quests and instances before starting any instances.....

Kommentar von Thottbot

the only person who has it on a live realm is Cloze <Nihilum> on Eu Magtheridon.

pic comes from PTR where bliz gave it as main weapon for black temple test rogue gear.
hits quite well with 1500 AP, I got some nice 2k5 backstabs and 4k5 mutilate on mail armor, even with dagger of the unrequited in offhand wich isn't best for mutilate.

stats pre 2.1.0 :
133 - 201 Damage Speed 1.80
(92.8 damage per second)
+13 Stamina
Equip: Increases attack power by 50.
Equip: Increases dagger skill rating by 14.

Nihilum movie

Kommentar von Thottbot

where do u get these numbers from?:P
i hit 4.2- 4.3 pvp ambush on 15/0/46 build
and 2.4-2.5 pve backstabs on 15/41/5 build
malchazeen in MH .tbh .use adamantite sharpening stone an malchazeen and u get fang of vashj's dmg:)
actually . its not the weapon that makes u own things. its the AP and hit. 1500AP rogue with fang of vashj would deal less dmg then 1800AP rogue with some crappy 180end dmg dagger. approximately ofc. do the math if u want. i dont.

Kommentar von Thottbot

this should hit for bout 3.7-4.5k if u spec right on ambush......raid combat should give a good 2k backstab....mutilate with another slow offhand cri prob like 2-2.7k....great wep

Kommentar von Thottbot

lol... i did 4,8k with CEDS CARVER, Blessing of might, Battle shout and 2x trinkets both gave 200 AP, changed 2 patches later..

Kommentar von Thottbot

I got this babe. Critted 5.5k ambush against rat with shadowstep ambush and over 3k backstab in raid with all buffs.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Hunters can need daggers the day i can need vashj's bow as a rogue =P

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