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Kommentar von Eliel

Arguably the best pre-tier 4 tanking legs out there. Pick these up instead of your Dungeon set legs - the set bonuses for 3.5 are on 2 and 4 pieces, leaving you available to grab these as well while still keeping set bonuses.

Paladin tanks, since you're getting to Revered anyway, see about picking up (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29185) as well.

Kommentar von 26134

put 3 solid star of elune's at 12 stam each for a total of 105 sta (you'll lose the 6 block value socket bonus).

If you use the clefthide leg armor mentioned above thats 135 total stamina!

Kommentar von Kanuuna

I got these today, and getting Karazhan now that I have my 'pre-raiding' stuff all together.

I spent very much on these legs.

I got the following on these gems legs ;
'Solid Star of Elune ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24033 )
'Thick Dawnstone ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24052 )
'Flashing Living Ruby' ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24036 )

I also got Clefthide Leg Armor ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29534 )
Still wondering if I can get 100hp on them, if it's possible to stack it up there.

That is much spent on one legs, but hey, one damn good legs.

Kommentar von 43502

Nerf incoming on these? Confirm/Deny?

Kommentar von 66662

Legguards of the Resolute Defender vs Timewarden's Leggings

Timewarden's has 31 more armor even after +armor from the agility on Resolute (negligible).
Timewarden's has 15 more stamina (good).

for Resolute.
23 agility (+.69% crit and +.76% dodge @70 for Warrior)
+ def. rating 31 (13 defense skill)
+ parry rating 20 (+.89% parry @70)

for Timewarden's.
3 sockets w/ +6 block value bonus (red, yellow, blue)
+ def. rating 18 (7 defense skill)
+ dodge rating 11 (+.58% dodge @70)

But then if you use only green gems which are very cheap, you can get a +9 stamina blue gem, a +6 defense yellow gem, and +3 str/+4 stam purple gem for a total of:

+28 more stam than Resolute
+6 block value than Resolute

-7 defense than Resolute (-2 defense skill (because of how rounding down works))
-%1.07 percent of mitagation from block/parry than Resolute
-%.69 crit from agility than Resolute

Basically, it's mitigation vs stamina. I'd rather take +280 HP from one slot because from other gear I am easily at 45%+ mitigation. Also, the better gems you use, the more stamina you can get from Timewarden's.

Kommentar von 6493

^Re: DKangN3^
I crunched the numbers on these 2 pieces myself just now. I was VERY disapointed in the avoidance on Timewarden's on my protection paladin--I don't see you mention it here but did you factor in dodge from agility? Resolute Defender's 23 AGI + Clefthide's 10 is netting me 1.32 dodge% (~25 dodge rating!!) by my Tankpoints readout.

My post here is basically for Protection Paladins. Alot of paladins have commented that these are great because they don't waste any budgeting on STR, but I would argue they are not so great for most Paladins, because most of us have a steep mountain to climb when it comes to reaching uncrushable status, thanks to our active blocking ability being inferior to warriors. That being said:

**Short Version**

Most tankadins beyond 490 defense live by the mantra "dodge rating is king" but you can fill this piece with +8 dodge rating rubies and it won't touch the combined dodge from AGI, solid parry rating and innate avoidance from high +DEF that can be found on Legguards of the Resolute Defender.

**Medium Version**

If you, like me, are a pally still trying to reach that fabled 102.4% avoidance uncrushable status while active blocking (takes alot more avoidance gear for a paladin than warrior) I would STAY AWAY from Timewarden's. They'll cost you several nights rep grinding, 30g to buy, much more gold on top of that for the gems--to upgrade these to ~1-2% less avoidance and a chunk more HP than Resolute Defender's, which are a free (easy!) quest reward.

Conversly, if you are deep into uncrushable territory, by all means grab these and jam them full of +12 STA gems for a ton of extra HP! -- just don't automatically assume these are "the best pre-raid tanking legs" because you might be screwing yourself out of alot of avoidance, especially if you are a paladin with our (realitively) gimpy shield block ability.

**Long Version**

*Disclaimer: Your stats my vary, due to base racial stats, combat rating rounding down, your proximity to avoidance caps, etc. I took most of my data readings from TankPoints' hit table calculator, butt naked, plugging in the stats for each item in question. That being said, you can safely imagine a " ~ " next to all these values to represent approximately!

*Note: I'm also assuming both Items will use the cheaply made/purchased Clefthide Leg Armor.
*Final Note: when I speak of "Avoidance" I'm strictly speaking % towards uncrushable status!

Here's the data:

Legguards of the Resolute Defender
Armor: 942 + 66 from AGI = 1008 = 7.99% Dmg Reduction
STA: 42 + 30 = 72
AGI: 23 +10 = 33
DEF: 31R = ~13 = 0.52% (M/D/P/B/Cr)

Block: 0R + 0.52% from DEF = 0.52%
Dodge: 0R + 1.32% from AGI + 0.52 from DEF = 1.84%
Parry: 20R (~0.84%) + 0.52% from DEF = 1.36%

Summary:
720 HP
Dmg Reduc: 7.99%
Miss: 0.52%
Dodge: 1.84%
Parry: 1.36%
Block: 0.52%
Total Avoidance: 4.24%

Timewarden's
Armor: 1019 + 20 from AGI = 1019 = 8.29% Dmg Reduction
STA: 57 + 30 = 87
AGI: 0 +10 = 10
DEF: 18R = ~7 = 0.28% (M/D/P/B/Cr)
Block: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%
Dodge: 11R + 0.40% from AGI + 0.28% from DEF = ~1.26%
Parry: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%

Summary:
870 HP
Dmg Reduc: 8.29%
Miss: 0.28%
Dodge: 1.26%
Parry: 0.28%
Block: 0.28%
Total: 2.10%

Throw in 1 Subtle Living Ruby (+8 Dodge) and that brings it up to:
Dodge: 1.68%
Total: 2.52%

Two Subtle Living Rubies?
Dodge: 2.10%
Total: 2.94%

THREE Rubies?
Dodge: 2.53%
Total: 3.37%

At this point, for about 120-135g worth of gems on my server, you've created Resolute Defender's -0.87% Avoidance + 150HP, or a chest HP enchant. In other words, don't do this! Of course, if you can afford the knock to your avoidance without becoming vulnerable to crushing blows, put three +12 stamina gems in there for a huge 1230 HP on one piece. The trade comes out to about 50% less avoidance for 59% more HP, a fair trade if you are way out of reach of crushing blows, but until then stick with Resolute Defender's IMO while you are still reaching to that 102.4%.

Kommentar von 33682

Wow, all these long comments about tank stats. Now for something important.

These pants are blue with red patterns. It was pretty hard to find a tabard to match, but Sha'tar tabard comes pretty close. Pick it up for 90s when exalted.

Kommentar von Machinassiah

Anyone putting anything other than 3 Solid Stars of Elune in these is pretty much terrible. I direct you to http://evilempireguild.org/guides/after490.php.

Kommentar von jon3k

Would you rather grind 110g or revered with KoT? Yeah, I thought so, so go buy some felsteel leggings :)

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23518

You'll give up ~20 stam, 6 block value and 7 dodge (if you get the felsteel socket bonus) but you'll gain 15 defense and 238 armor. Well worth it to me, especially considering how incredibly easy it is to come up with 110g in Outlands.

Kommentar von 59484

Now with the pally buff in 2.3 we get a grand total of 16% more stamina from items! Meaning if we socket these with
3 solid stars of elune (36 stamina)
put clefthoof leg armor on(+30 stam and +10 agi)
we would get
123 stam times 1.16
which = 142 stam!
Thats pretty much 1420 health on these.
Grats pallies!

Kommentar von 98638

I like these legs and I recommend them to any prot warriors that don't have the badges for Unwavering Legguards, great stamina, good armor, and it's got some decent avoidance.

Kommentar von 123744

I've been looking for upgrades as I recently hit 70 with my Paly and I've come to a conclusion about these VS Resolute Defender. By the time I or anybody else is tanking Bosses that crush, you will most certainly not be wearing either of these pants. I have pretty good gear, but I am getting pummeled in heroics because I am not at 13K HP or more. My def is over 500, I like having the extra avoidance you get from the Def rating without really having to work for it. But I am still technically crushable. I really don't think that matters at this point. By the time I am tanking those bosses I'm sure I will have either badge reward pants or Kara pants from being an offtank, as none of the trash mobs crush.

I decided to go for these pants and fill the slots up with Sta avoidance/sta gems. I may never hit uncrushable in them but I'll have 1420 HP as someone calculated vs 720 from Resolute. This for a difference of less than 2% avoidance.

Enduring Talesite: 4 Def 6 Sta
Regal Nighteye x2: 8 Dodge 12 Sta

Armor 1019+102(toughness)=1121
Sta (57+30+18)+16% (Sacred Duty&Combat Expertise) =105+16.8 =121.8= 1218 HP
Dodge 8+11=19
Def 4+18=22
Block Value 6

I don't typically socket for the Bonus, only if it benefits my build and in this case I think it's worthwhile. Nice armor, nice avoidance, and great Sta.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this one or leggings of the bold?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Now thats some nice rare tanking legs! Better then most unless epic

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Still really nice even after nerf, just not better then tier 4/wrynn dynasty anymore.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Timewarden's Leggings
Binds when picked up
Unique
Legs Plate
1019 Armor
+69 Stamina
red Red Socket
yellow Yellow Socket
blue Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Block Value
Requires Level 70
Requires Keepers of Time - Revered
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 19.
Equip: Increases defense rating by 26.

Posting this for historic purposes, because rumor is these legs are getting nerfed. Sucks because I just got them a week ago.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

2.0.10 test realm

1019 armor
57 stamina
red socket
yellow socket
blue socket
bonus +6 block
increase defense rating by 18
increase dodge rating by 11

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Omg i saw today full ench+ sockets! ONLY +117 STA o_O

69+ ench 30 + socket +6 +12 OMFG!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Got them last night after having a good group of us going through BM a lot. Going to fam it the next couple days for Exalted Rep for the Glyph of the Defender enchant

Kommentar von Thottbot

One of our guild offtanks got these a few weeks ago.. They are absolute mental for tanking. With a few gems he has added and and enchant, +115Stamina.

Thats 1,150HP for legs alone:) pro much?

Shrex, Frostmane

Kommentar von Thottbot

i just have been on the test realms and instead of having 69 Stam 26 def and 19 dodge it soon has 57 stam 18 def and 11 dodge. but with 3x 12 Stam gems in it, it would still rock. 1,1k hp in patch 2.0.10

Kommentar von Thottbot

57sta + 3x 12sta (from gems) and enchant for 30sta and 10 agility = 125 sta... thats just damn nice...

Kommentar von Thottbot

i chose these legs over the felsteel ones for a few reasons.First im not a blacksmith.Second the socket bonus isnt that bad and i like dodge rating.Third they were a hell of alot cheaper than the felsteel legs.And getting the rep needed for this is a cake walk.I ran oldhillsbrad maybe 4 times and ran BM 3 times and had enough rep.Since you get to do a few quests while your there wich turns out to be alot of rep.

Kommentar von Thottbot

How do you enchant these?

Kommentar von Thottbot

you can add a Clefthide Leg Armor kit to add +30 Stamina and +10 Agility to these. Then you would be rockin ;)

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29534/grollbalgbeinrüstung

Kommentar von Thottbot

just fit in 2 enduring talasite ^^ they rock 4 def rate en 6 stam each and a red gem and some clefthoof armor this is one hell of a pants

Kommentar von Thottbot

clefthide armor kit. 30 stam 10 agi

12+ stamina gem.
4 str 6 stam
4 def rating 6 stam.

54+57= 111 stam . nice or what ? sure works for me

Kommentar von Thottbot

57 stamina on the legs themselves is a lot of health. As a tank you want to balance your gear in reguards to dodge, block, parry, defence and also chance to hit. So if you were going to use these legs as a main stamina booster i would suggest

3x12 stamina gems
1x nethercleft armour (similar to clefthide but 10 more stamina and 2 more agility)

This results in a total of 133 stamina on one item(!). 1330 health, enjoy.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Vitality anyone?

Kommentar von Thottbot

I might want to buy them, but iam not sure about it arent the felsteel legs better ?

Kommentar von Thottbot

These things rock the house....seriously! I'm a pally going Prot soon and was looking for "Tank parts" when I came across these. Frig. I was both glad and sad that my righteous legs were nowhere near as good as these. I mean I could easily turn these into a +stam +Int set or do all of the above. 57stam is sick anyway :P Knowing me I would probably still use the righteous legs just cause they look cool lol.

~M_D~

Kommentar von Thottbot

actually, the best combination of gems I found for these were +8 parry rating red, +8 defense rating yellow, and +12 stam blue, then you still recieve the +block value which is an important mitigating factor, all in all, these pants do quite a decent add for the dodge/parry/block %

Kommentar von Thottbot

No, Felsteel Leggings are worse

Kommentar von Thottbot

Felsteel Leggings give increased armor. The increase in armor gives my arms/fury warrior about .43% more physical damage reduction. Now, the extra dodge rating on the TimeWardens gives .60% chance to dodge. I think I'd rather have more dodge, although I didnt test the numbers as prot spec with the Toughness talent. Timewardens DO trade defense for stamina though, so if your defense is already as high as you want it, you get more stamina than Felsteel assuming you'd put in the same gems. Plus, the block rating saves you 6 health per block, and I block many times during a typical fight so that bonus would add up.

Kommentar von Thottbot

A must have for pre Kara tanking

Kommentar von Thottbot

I ripped this post from Wowhead since I thought it was well thought out and helpful since I was trying to determine between these legs or the Resolute Defender legs.

I crunched the numbers on these 2 pieces myself just now. I was VERY disapointed in the avoidance on Timewarden's on my protection paladin--I don't see you mention it here but did you factor in dodge from agility? Resolute Defender's 23 AGI + Clefthide's 10 is netting me 1.32 dodge% (~25 dodge rating!) by my Tankpoints readout.

My post here is basically for Protection Paladins. Alot of paladins have commented that these are great because they don't waste any budgeting on STR, but I would argue they are not so great for most Paladins, because most of us have a steep mountain to climb when it comes to reaching uncrushable status, thanks to our active blocking ability being inferior to warriors. That being said:

**Short Version**

Most tankadins beyond 490 defense live by the mantra "dodge rating is king" but you can fill this piece with +8 dodge rating rubies and it won't touch the combined dodge from AGI, solid parry rating and innate avoidance from high +DEF that can be found on Legguards of the Resolute Defender.

**Medium Version**

If you, like me, are a pally still trying to reach that fabled 102.4% avoidance uncrushable status while active blocking (takes alot more avoidance gear for a paladin than warrior) I would STAY AWAY from Timewarden's. They'll cost you several nights rep grinding, 30g to buy, much more gold on top of that for the gems--to upgrade these to ~1-2% less avoidance and a chunk more HP than Resolute Defender's, which are a free (easy!) quest reward.

Conversly, if you are deep into uncrushable territory, by all means grab these and jam them full of +12 STA gems for a ton of extra HP! -- just don't automatically assume these are "the best pre-raid tanking legs" because you might be screwing yourself out of alot of avoidance, especially if you are a paladin with our (realitively) gimpy shield block ability.

**Long Version**

*Disclaimer: Your stats my vary, due to base racial stats, combat rating rounding down, your proximity to avoidance caps, etc. I took most of my data readings from TankPoints' hit table calculator, butt naked, plugging in the stats for each item in question. That being said, you can safely imagine a " ~ " next to all these values to represent approximately!

*Note: I'm also assuming both Items will use the cheaply made/purchased Clefthide Leg Armor.
*Final Note: when I speak of "Avoidance" I'm strictly speaking % towards uncrushable status!

Here's the data:

Legguards of the Resolute Defender
Armor: 942 + 66 from AGI = 1008 = 7.99% Dmg Reduction
STA: 42 + 30 = 72
AGI: 23 +10 = 33
DEF: 31R = ~13 = 0.52% (M/D/P/B/Cr)

Block: 0R + 0.52% from DEF = 0.52%
Dodge: 0R + 1.32% from AGI + 0.52 from DEF = 1.84%
Parry: 20R (~0.84%) + 0.52% from DEF = 1.36%

Summary:
720 HP
Dmg Reduc: 7.99%
Miss: 0.52%
Dodge: 1.84%
Parry: 1.36%
Block: 0.52%
Total Avoidance: 4.24%

Timewarden's
Armor: 1019 + 20 from AGI = 1019 = 8.29% Dmg Reduction
STA: 57 + 30 = 87
AGI: 0 +10 = 10
DEF: 18R = ~7 = 0.28% (M/D/P/B/Cr)
Block: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%
Dodge: 11R + 0.40% from AGI + 0.28% from DEF = ~1.26%
Parry: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%

Summary:
870 HP
Dmg Reduc: 8.29%
Miss: 0.28%
Dodge: 1.26%
Parry: 0.28%
Block: 0.28%
Total: 2.10%

Throw in 1 Subtle Living Ruby (+8 Dodge) and that brings it up to:
Dodge: 1.68%
Total: 2.52%

Two Subtle Living Rubies?
Dodge: 2.10%
Total: 2.94%

THREE Rubies?
Dodge: 2.53%
Total: 3.37%

At this point, for about 120-135g worth of gems on my server, you've created Resolute Defender's -0.87% Avoidance + 150HP, or a chest HP enchant. In other words, don't do this! Of course, if you can afford the knock to your avoidance without becoming vulnerable to crushing blows, put three +12 stamina gems in there for a huge 1230 HP on one piece. The trade comes out to about 50% less avoidance for 59% more HP, a fair trade if you are way out of reach of crushing blows, but until then stick with Resolute Defender's IMO while you are still reaching to that 102.4%.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I bought these, slapped a +12 in each slot, and someclefthide to boot, and I must say, I love the 12,534 hp i have. 490 defense too! buy these, I say, may have cost more than 200 g but if u skip the epicly-not-so-useful 2nd flyer...money is in no short supply

thedrawrf, shu'halo

Kommentar von Thottbot

Even with the nerf these pants are still great, u still got what 2 sockets to play with, PLUS the 57 stam and dodge and also def rating, idk but i still plan to get them tho they were nerfed, they rock

Kommentar von Thottbot

I see there's a little discussion about this pants. I got seduced
by the view of getting them and I did, bought gems and Clefthide
Leg Armor but I thought it over and here's something:
If compare it to Felsteel Leggings i get:
18 more stamina and 11 dodge rating but i have to sacrifice
15 defense rating and 238 armor (which IMO is pretty nice).
Not to mention that Timewarden's Leggings looks ugly as hell :-/
So decision is up to individual preferences i guess. I prefer
taking less dmg instead of having 220hp more, but it's just me :)

Kommentar von Thottbot

I already made the felsteel legs to help level my blacksmithing, and socketed it with tier one gems.

The rep grind for these doesn't bother me because I was almost there anyway. But I guess I'll save my 50 gold and keep my felsteels.

Kommentar von Thottbot

If u socket these correctly u could have more dodge, parry, or block from these then from felsteel. These alrdy give u quite a bit of dodge... so put mby 2 12 stamina gems in it... and the clefthoof kit, and u got a niec leggings, plus on top of that i believe u got one more socket, so if u have any epic gems in ur bank that u dont rly need all that much toss one of them in there, dodge or parry gem would be nice if u have it

Kommentar von Thottbot

you can get a total of 133 stam in thease, just get 3x+12stam gems and a epic clefthoof hide armor kit, now that like 76 stam right there, and the best part is if you have a diffrent set with 3 sockets you can have the same set up

Kommentar von Thottbot

I've seen some people discussing Felsteel vs these for a protection paladin and figured I'd chime in.

I like to play to a gear's strength. Timewarden's strength is its massive stamina (18 more on the item than Felsteel). Felsteel meanwhile has that hearty bonus to defense.

When I first got my Felsteel they were my only tanking leg item so I gemmed them first for avoidance (when I was still crushable) then for +12 sta to all 3 slots once I didn't need the avoidance. I still don't *need* the avoidance and in that case Timewarden's extra hp's trump Felsteel.

So is it time to d/e the Felsteel? Heck no! Now that I have a pair of tank pants that are built for stamina I can regem the Felsteel to avoidance again. Gem'd with +12sta gems and enchanted with clefthide (30sta/10agi) the Timewarden's give the following overall stats:
1019 armor, 123 sta, 10 agi, 18 defense, 11 dodge for total avoidance (av)/block rating (br) of 1.882 av/0.3 br.

If you go with hybrid gems to get your dodge into the Felsteel (pure dodge in the red slot) and the clefthide kit you get the following stats:
1257 armor, 75 sta, 10 agi, 37 defense, 20 dodge for a total of
3.308 av/0.617br.

That's an improvement of 1.426 av/ 0.317br for a total of 1.743 toward uncrushability. I would say that given the fact you can get both of these items and the gems pre-Kara that once you have both you should gem them to focus on each item's strengths. If you're struggling with uncrushability then the Felsteel, properly socketed, gives you almost 4% toward uncrushability. If you're in a situation where you just need the extra health, Timewarden's will give you 48 more sta. And even if you're comfortably uncrushable there will be times that you'd either like to switch librams or that you just want the extra avoidance.

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