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Kommentar von 16842

Is it possible to attach this to a level 38 bow?

Kommentar von 28777

I think the buyout price should be 200-250 range. Given the mats and the buyout here for each:

Dawnstone 40g ea x 2- 80g
Khorium bar 15g ea x 4 - 60g
Adamantite ore 1.1g ea x 30 - 33g
= 173g a 3g loss for the lucky engineer.

Kommentar von 30974

Costs about 180g in mats to make on Defias Brotherhood EU and can get about 200g for them off the Auction House at the moment.

Very nice little money maker.

Kommentar von 26648

Could anyone please confirm whether this increases the damage of shots that are not dependent on weapon damage (steadyshot and arcane shot)?

Kommentar von 41277

Grinding this scopes out is one of the cheapest ways to raise engineering skill post-360

Kommentar von 71667

Can make this scope, no fee..
Juvelen @ Magtheridon (EU) Horde

Kommentar von tobarstep

But, as someone pointed out, it takes 60 adamantite ore to make just one of these scopes (not to mention the Khorium and Dawnstones). That's an awful lot of very expensive mats for 1 skill point.

Kommentar von 53267

For fast weapons this has a very powerful effect since its added damage is based on attack speed. A weapon like Hurricane (1.6 speed) gets a 7.5 dps increase from this, equalling 105 RAP. That's pretty...

Kommentar von 41236

In hindsight this is probably one of the cheapest ways to max out a service profession. I just made 3 scopes for under 150g buying the mats from the AH. Either people don't know the prices or they just want to sell it cheap.

Kommentar von 88694

can someone please confirm this for me. I was told that this scope can be traded to a lvl 55 and that person can put it on your bow/gun via the will not be traded box. I saw a twink with one of these awhile back on his venomstrike bow and i would like to do the same, but i am unsure of this information since recent patches and he said/she said info. Cause I also know that clefthide armor can be added to leggings of a low lvl as long as a lvl 70 applies them.

Kommentar von 26250

Level 70 Arc/Fire Mage. Took 278 Sunfury Bowman for this to drop. 91 Signets and 8 Arcane Tomes along the way though :)

Kommentar von Toldry

Base mats are

60 Adamantite Ore
2 Dawnstone
8 Khorium Ore

Kommentar von rakey

I just confirmed that the scope cannot be equipped on lower level items. I purchased the scope and attempted to attach it to the Hurricane using a L70 character. The attachment failed and gave me the error message "Target is too low level".

Kommentar von 111850

Ok, just had this baby drop after about an hour of grinding at Manaforge Duro, and made it for myself. I want to start selling it, but not sure for what amount (Skullcrusher,US) . Any of you guys have sold it? How much? Are u doing it free with their mats just to grind to 375? Thanks!

Kommentar von Pirwzy

Silly question: Does this increase the per hit damage by 12, or the DPS by 12?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Truenova on Stormscale (alliance) can craft this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Dragônhunter in Thunderlord-A can make and has in AH usually. The ô = ALT+147.

I have 2 that I am selling for 220G or free with mats, but no one is interested. What is up?

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 8:44am by VETTOO

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Asir on Cenarius (Alliance) Can craft this.

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Zarconas on Cho'gall can craft this (Horde)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Fromthenight on durotan can make this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Crafting on Sporregar (EU) Horde side, just contact Lelina.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Send a tell to Vyncynt on onyxia (alliance) if u need this crafted.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Chezenoob - Horde on Boulderfist can make this

Edited, Mar 17th 2007 8:14am by fredthecaveman

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Crafting on Magtheridon Horde side contact Besong or just mail mats anytime.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Tyerone on Arthas PVP (US) can make this

Horde side

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Damascus on Shadowmoon (HORDE) can craft this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I can make it on Anvilmar Alliance. send a tell to Teogamer.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Samurairob alliance side on Greymane server can make this.

Edited, Jul 11th 2007 9:50am by SamuraiRob

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Kellonor on Silverhand Horde side can make this scope :~)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Firehwk on Bronzebeard alliance can create this, it really sucks though because there only selling for a max of like 90g if your lucky and the mats cost that much or more -_-

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Drops off Sunfury Bowmen.. i had been looking for this for awhile.. went there to do the new 2.4 daily and boom it dropped right after the plans

again

Sunfury Bowmen
Manaforge Duro

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Negativa on Magtheridon(EU, Horde) can craft this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It says "Requires Level 55"... For what? To wield a weapon that has one? To attach it? Item level required to attach it?

I'm assuming you need to be level 55 or higher to attach it to a weapon, so can you get a high-level to attach it for you, right?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ishida on Turalyon (EU) Horde side can make it

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Now instead of 20 ppl saying they can craft this scope, how about saying where you got the schematic, hmmm?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Dead on Gorgonnash (Horde) can craft this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Zindy on Kor'gall can make this (Horde)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

RatKing on Terenas (Alliance) can make the "Khorium Scope"
He can also make the "Ornate Khorium Rifle"

Edited, Mar 5th 2007 1:49am by Xelor

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Aldeia on Khaz Modan Alliance can craft this.

Got the plans on my 7th kill :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you're Horde I can hook you up on Gurubashi; If you're Alliance, well... here's hoping you see one of my scopes soon. >-)

Stinkin schematic took a massive amount of kills to drop.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Beastpoach on Gilneas (Horde) can craft this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Bendak on Shadowmoon (Alliance) can craft this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Vincebad on Frostmane Horde can make this, he also has the pattern for the eternium scope.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Bornagainbob on Lightning's Blade can make this

Kommentar von Thottbot

Post it somewhere else.. thott is not an advertising forum.

needs 360 skill to make.
pattern is dropped only if you are an engineer(1)
dropchance about 5%

Kommentar von Thottbot

you can farm for it from sunfury bowman in netherstorm around manaforge dorn i think it's called

Kommentar von Thottbot

Confirmed. It drops off Sunfury Bowman. Less then 20 kills for me.

Kommentar von Thottbot

It adds +12 dmg on both the top and bottom ends of your weapon dmg.

If you have a 155-205 dmg range on a crossbow for instance, this scope will upgrade it to 167-217 dmg range.

Do not underestimate this scope.

Kommentar von Thottbot

It is important to remember that the +12 damage is NOT calculated against a target's armor. If you are fighting a warrior or one of those annoying rock-giant elites, the plus damage will be alot more effective than it would be against a mage or priest.

i.e.
If you hit a Warrior for 421 damage it would acutally do 433 damage. (Approx. 2.9% increase)

If you hit a Mage for 714 damage it would actually do 726 damage. (Approx. 1.7% increase)

I'm not a hunter, but personally I would go for one of the + Hit/Crit/AP scopes, but good luck finding an engineer who can craft them, as the schematics are crazy hard to find..

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is something we could make money off of, but once again other engineers on my server screw the rest of us.

Step 1:

Collect Mats

60x adamantite ore = 60g
2x dawnstone = 50g
8x khorium ore = 10g

Step 2:

Number Crunching

End price (mats only) = 120g
AH price = 100g

Step 3:

?

Step 4:

Profit

Kommentar von Thottbot

1: Drops of sunfury bowman on the west side of Manaforge Duro.(they line the mountain ridge shooting mana ghost)

2: You do NOT have to be 360 or over in Eng to get the drop, you just have to be a ENG or you wont see it drop (suck on that farmers):oP o\o

3: Dont bash your computer if you dont get it in less then 100 kills.And even if you didnt get it in 400 you will be at least be nearly exalted with scryers or aldor, sunfury signets sell for about 1g each, and arcane tomes 25g (big $$)

4:This is easyier to get then the felsteel boomstick which drops from Doomforge Engineers at
forge camp anger in Blades Edge Mt.

5. True or not i have noticed from my exp and past comments this drops faster if you are in groups or when doing a related quest,(try it for your self)

6. Even know this is a waste of money to make, just charge a fee & use their mats to make it that way you lvl skills. SAVE your dawnstone! for the next patch when you can make epic helms for all classes
check this site out: www.wowhead.com/tbc/items&filter;=qu=4;sl=1;minle=100;cr=86;crs=5;crv=0

Kommentar von Thottbot

The Scope Dilemma:
Crit vs. Damage

What I've found is that the amount that adding crit% benefits is totally dependent on your Damage dealt. Conversely, the amount that adding damage dealt benefits is totally dependant on your current crit%

The following numbers are based on a Hunter with Mortal Shots
(30% damage increase to critical strikes).
Also, the numbers are per 100 shots fired.

16% crit 1449 added by +12 scope
18% crit 1481 added by +12 scope
20% crit 1512 added by +12 scope
22% crit 1543 added by +12 scope
24% crit 1574 added by +12 scope
26% crit 1605 added by +12 scope
28% crit 1636 added by +12 scope

400 median damage 728 added by crit scope
500 median damage 910 added by crit scope
600 median damage 1092 added by crit scope
700 median damage 1274 added by crit scope
800 median damage 1456 added by crit scope
900 median damage 1638 added by crit scope
1000 median damage 1820 added by crit scope

What I notice from this is the steady increase gained by the damage (+12) scope, with increased crit%, contrasted with the exponential growth of the value of +crit when you reach higher damage. however, these levels of damage will likely only be reached by a Hunter in top quality gear and with a full raid buff. Myself, I am at 22% crit and gain the 1543 damage from my +12 scope. To get the equal or greater benefit from the crit scope I'd have to be somewhere between 800 and 900 median damage, which I am nowhere close to. So for the forseeable future, I'll be sticking with the damage scope.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I had crafted a spare Khorium scope and had my friend's lvl 19 twink trade his pea shooter to my lvl 70. I could not apply the scope with both the scope and gun (item lvl 21) in my lvl 70's inventory. This does NOT work like the cleft armor kits. This item CANNOT be applied to lvl 19 twink weapons using any method. You will always get an error saying the item is too low level.

It was worth a shot, but it does not work guys =(!

Kommentar von Thottbot

An easy way to compare this scope to the crit rating scope:

12 divided by the Ranged Attack Speed on your character sheet(not the one on the gun or bow), then multiply that number by 14.

That converts damage into raw attack power, for me sitting at 2.28 attack speed this scope is worth about 74 attack power, more when I use rapid fire or IAotH procs. So... for me I'm gona use this scope over the 28 crit rating one.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ok alot of people are trying to decide wether to have the +12 damage scope or the +28 crit rating scope.

heres how i figured it all out

The 12 damage one will add +12 damage to ALL of your shots.

The crit rating gives you 1.27 crit change at level 70.

So lets say you just got a good bow and ALL your auto shots hit for 988 (this is just an example there is no such bow that will give you that)

so lets see.

100 divded by 1.27 would be 79 shots.

So after 79 shots a crit would most probably happen (its all a chance thing)

so if you were doing 988 damage on all your shots in 79 shots it would double it. 988 X 2 = 1976

so because of your scope you just got granted an extra 988 damage in 79 shots.

Now lets say you had the +12 damage scope.

In 79 shots your would have

79 X 12 = 948.

so lets see in 79 shots you just got:

948 bonus damage from +12 dmg scope

OR

988 damage bonus from +28 crit rating.

SO all in all the crit bonus scope in this case is better.

BUT WAIT! theres more.

if you have 20 points in marks then you have "mortal shots" which increases your ranged criticles by 30 percent.

so now you have 988 X 2.30 = 2272

divide 2272 by 2 and you have 1136.

So because if your scope you just got granted 1136 extra damage.

So acording to my calculations (which are somewhat short sighted but are right in my opnion) the +28 crit rating IS better.

but you have to keep in mind:

with the +12 damage scope in 3 shots your ALWAYS going to have 36 bonus damage

with the scope which adds crit rating you could have an extra 2964 damage ( if your auto shots were 988 damage)or you could have 0 bonus damage.

its all a chance thing.

MY OVERALL OPNION:

if you have mortal shots trained with 5 points in it, get the +crit rating scope

if you dont have mortal shots get the +12 damage scope.

why would you get the +12 damage scope if you dont have mortal shots when it would still probably grant you more damage? because the 12 damage is a constant stream of damage, and the crit rating is jumps of damage. Its kind of like having a slow weapon, huge crits and you pull agro. the scope that adds +12 damage is like having a faster weapon, constant stream of damage with smaller crits

Kommentar von Thottbot

Faster weapon get this one. More shots with this leads to more damage overall, because this will have more effect on every shot. Slow weapon get crit scope, since it already does some huge damage, and the added crit can help get huge numbers.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Essentially you have to look at in a DPS perspective. Yes, 1 crit with a +28 crit rating can legitamately make up for the shots taken with a +12 scope. But realistally 1% crit = 14 AP = 1 DPS. you can dig very deep in the hunter forum for that if you like. www.tkasomething.com will have it. Essentially depending your spec & weapon speed. BM typically is a DPS spec with faster lower damage shots. My weapon speed Sunfury bow with talents has a 2.1 attack speed. now 12dmg/2.1 is almost 6 DPS. 28 crit rating is about 1.1 DPS. I know it doesnt make sense but essentially over a longer period of time you will see more dmg from 12 dmg vs 28 crit rating. Also keep in mind that it adds 12dmg on a hit, 24dmg on a crit because its raising the base dmg of the weapon.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I think they may of improved the drop rate.
It dropped after 30 kills when my prot warrior did it.

good luck.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Now, I've read all of these comments. Most of what has been said makes sense. I understand you can not add this scope to an item for a 19 or a 29 twink. Just like you can not add TBC enchants to most 19 or 29 twinks (There are some exceptions, with quests)
But TBC enchants CAN go on 39 or 49 twinks.
Does anyone know if you can add this to a 39 hunter twink for instance? Such as on Bow of Searing Arrows (37 epic BOE bow).

It would make sense how someone said it requires a bow above level 50, because that's what it says. But the leg armor also "Requires Level 60." And every twink uses that.

Has anyone tried to put this scope (or the 28 Crit) on a 39 or 49 twink?

I'm willing to try it, but that crit bow is expensive -.-

Kommentar von Thottbot

Can this go on lvl 43 Master Hunter's Bow ? Has anyone tried it ?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Has this drop been nerfed? been here for hours now, still now drop for me, and yes i do have eng and its maxed,

Kommentar von Thottbot

PLEASE tell us what lvl bow/gun this can be mounted on and by whom. Someone above said it can be mounted on a lvl 50 weapon even though it says lvl 55 at the top of the page. Why Bliz doesn't make this crystal clear is ridiculous, but that's why we're all here on thott, right? So let's be friends.

BTW in regards to the question above I don't know if this can be fitted on a MHB but I doubt it, since the MHB is a lvl 43 item. I had a friend mount a +7 Sniper Scope on my MHB after I got it at lvl 30 (and I am replacing it at lvl 45 with the Mauradon bow, which gives you an idea of how good the MHB is). So as long as the bow is 40+ and as long as the person mounting it is 40+, it works.

Does it follow, then, that for this scope to work the bow has to be 55+ and the person mounting it has to be 55+?

Please confirm if you have *personally* equipped a bow or handed your bow/gun for someone to equip--don't guess. Thanks.

Kommentar von Thottbot

BTW Verdant Keeper's Aim--aka the Mauradon Bow--is a lvl 53 item, so it's important to know whether or not this scope can be mounted on it, since it's probably the best bow you can get at lvl 45, and it's a quest reward. So please comment if you've mounted the +12 scope on this particular bow. Thank you Engineers!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Got this schematic from,(like it says above)a Sunfury Bowman. I guess I was lucky because it only took me 17 minutes exactly.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Probably one of the biggest pains to farm.. there are tons of bowman but u wanna stay away from most of them because of the annoying adds you'll have to fight if u kill the bowmen. Not to mention plenty of pats. about 2 hours in and no drop yet.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Tried on and off for a couple of weeks to kill bowmen (maybe 5 sessions at 20 mins each). Dropped off one today - I think it was the 3rd kill of the day.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I know many have already said it, but I'd like to add, that I farmed those bowmen on both sides for about 3 hours, and finally one dropped off of the ones on the East hill(schematic). I hope to at the very least be able to craft free ones with their mats to skill up to 375.

Kommentar von Thottbot

West Side drop after about 5 re-spawns (25 kills) watched the football on tv and picked them off one by one (Rogue)

Kommentar von Thottbot

definitely worth farming if you wanna get to 375 quickly. I was stuck at 370 forever with only the goggles to advance so i went to farm this and it dropped in 7 kills.

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recipie droped for me after about 200 kills but u get added bounuses aswell along the way like arcane tomes i got 12 plust about 120+sunfury signets and %^&* loads of cloth

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