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Kommentar von mbulmer

I agree. I've pretty much given up on getting the Foror's Compendium to drop since stat-for-stat, Bloodlord's Defender is just about on par with Quel'Serrar, plus its stats are more reliable. The proc from the Quel is nice, but in most tanking situations, you just can't rely on chance to get you through.

This thing has dropped fairly regularly on our ZG runs (maybe 1 in every 8-10 runs), and it's a great tanking sword for just about every situation. If you're a tank and want to get geared up, ZG is far more beneficial for you than running Dire Maul over and over again in hopes of getting the Foror's Compendium to drop.

ZG has some great tanking gear besides the Bloodlord's Defender, too, including the Overlord's ring set, the Overlord's Embrace, and the Aegis of the Blood God. You won't find anything comparable in Dire Maul.

Kommentar von Minthus

I have both Quel'Serrar and the Bloodlord's Defender and there isn't a big difference between them. I would definitely advise going for the Defender over QS, since it is pretty easy to acquire.

Kommentar von 7543

With less than 6 weeks remaining before TBC is released and considering the amount of gold and effort required to obtain QS, Bloodlord's Defender is most likely a much better sword to go after.

From what I hear from beta, blue quest rewards in the low 60s are superior to both swords anyways.

Kommentar von 5089

This is a very nice sword, its fast speed, high stamina, armor and plus defense makes it easily the best tanking weapon on the account of attainability.

Kommentar von 9590

This weapon is great for tanks. One, it has an armor boost, which along with your other tanking gear all adds up making you all the better for taking the hits. Second, the +15 stamina is great. Again, with your other gear, it'll all add up increasing your health by a large amount, allowing the healers to spend a little less time on you and more on the raid, increasing survivability. The defense +6 and speed of the sword are great too. If you're looking to get a good tanking sword now, this is the one you might want to look into. There are many arguments that Quel'Serrar is better than this and this is better than Quel'Serrar. The Burning Crusade is coming out VERY soon, so you probably should start saving up your money which is exactly the opposite of getting Quel'Serrar does. This is much easier to obtain, and unless you want to spend a very long time farming the book for Quel'Serrar or spending a LOT of gold in the auction house, this is the sword to get.

Kommentar von Cargoship

I just received this bad boy the other night while running ZG. It dropped off the Bloodlord boss. IMO this sword is great for tanking and I prefer it over Quel'Serrar. It is 1. A lot easier to obtain and 2. Just better for tanking. Now knowing this will be my main hand tanking weapon for a long time to come, I decided to enchant this thing by giving it +15 Agility. Very nice help to anyone’s parry/dodge rate.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Dropped tonight, no one wanted it so I got it ; )

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5615/tehsword2jm.jpg

Kommentar von Thottbot

wow got this last night off Broodlord,we made a full aspect,Hahkar run and won the roll,lucky cause our main tanks already had it or better so dont cry.
http://tinypic.com/hx9myq.jpg

Kommentar von Thottbot

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/broodlord_warlock.jpg

Got it today! ^^

Kommentar von Thottbot

...on my Gnome Warrior...and it owns :) I was farming for Quel'serrar (which my Paladin actually has), but with this, I see no need. QS does slightly more damage, but for tanking, that's all but meaningless. I would rather have the +15 stam and +4 defense from this (and hey, the 80 armor doesn't hurt).

Kommentar von Thottbot

Awesome sword, nuff said.
I've also been trying to get Quel, but because of work etc I simply don't have the time to spend hours on farming that thing.
3 times Raid per week, another 2 times Zul Gurub per week takes a lot of time,

I sure was glad when this dropped the other day, being an MT I got it, even tho my guild doesn't give everything to the MTS outside of MC and soon BWL. Since this was a HUGE upgrade for me tho they let me have it, no questions asked.

One more thing..if you play with competent people everyone knows their role, and what classes have the most use for certain items. In our guild a pala would never use points on somethin like this until every def-specced warri has it, simply cuz they we can use it more.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Your math is incorrect. Def/sec makes no sense.

If the proc rate is 10% and the speed is 2sec then the wep will proc on average 1 time every 20sec. (20sec = 10swings = 1proc) Since the proc lasts 10 secs then you will on average have a +13def +300armor 10sec out of 20sec = half the time. So on average Quel'Serrar gives you +7.5 def and +150 armor which is greater than Bloodlord's Defender in both aspects.

The real proc bonus is actually less than half the time since you could proc twice in less then 10sec and thus lose the full time of the 1st proc but the average would still be higher then +4def and +80armor.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I play rogue,and would never roll on it.It's more like for... warlocks than for us.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Well if you compare Quel vs Bloodlords i think there is alot of aspects to look at.

First of all, im gonna say i got bloodlords defender, so im not gonna claim im 100% objective :)

First of all i think the weakness of quel'serrar is that its defense / armor bonus rely on a proc, as all other procs this can come any time, and some times your lucky and some times your not - This ofc depends on play style, what do you take Crusader or 15agi?

Secondly there is the speed difference, its "only" 0.1, but hey in 10 swings (all with heroic strike) the difference in dmg will be 10x4.3 VS 157, ofc this also implies that you cant spam shield block :p As i said play stile, but since heroic strike runs on the general timer (1 sec cd) and shield slam (6cd) runs on its own, you will generate a good amount of thread :)

So atm im perfectly happy with my bloodlord's defender, but ofc if i had gotten quel'serrar first, i would have kept that too and would have been happy about that :)

If i ever get the quel book, i will either give it to a tank in our guild that i like and who needs it or sell it for mucho $$.

Oh btw i ofc look at this used in places where you get big amount of rage, if your running scholo or stuff like that with tier1 or tier2, quel'serrar is better, or use your pvp gear and get some rage =) Get some rage and use it, running around with 70-100% rage is crap, and when i see tanks like that it makes me cry :p

Oh last thing, only thing that really sucks about bloodlords is the look, quel'serrar looks sooo much better :p

Kommentar von Thottbot

Proc rate of Quel has been reported to be around 5%. I don't want to hear all the hyperbole of fanboys who talk about how it "procs like crazy." Numbers don't lie. Get a mod, record the proc rate, and you will see it come out to about 5%.

That means the proc is engaged about 1/4th of the time. Since Quel swings once every 2 seconds, the expected number of swings before a proc is 20. That's procing, on average, once every 40 seconds. The proc is 10 seconds long, which means you have the extra armor and defense for 1/4th of the time.

So take all of the numbers of the proc, divide them by 4, and then use the new numbers as the specs for overall damage mitigation, because effectively, over many minutes and hours of fighting, that is how the numbers will work out.

Meaning (aside from the DPS) Bloodlord > Quel. And since Bloodlord doesn't take 1000+ gold and while you are waiting for your Bloodlord to drop you can gear up and enchant up in ZG (as opposed to gearing and enchanting up in DM), I think the Bloodlord wins there as well.

Quel does look better though..... And everyone knows exactly what it is when they see it....

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is just a great Tank Weapon..
The way to get it is quite easy if u are in a guild who is farming The 5 first bosses easy. Well the one who dropps this one is the 4 boss i think.. And if u ask me its more worth to have this one than Quel'Serrar because i sure not wanna spend over 1000g on a thing that is almost as good as this one. And this one is so easy to get.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Better than anything you find in MC, and compareable to some sword i won't mention by Name.

Only neg is : Low DPS, which IS important for tanking. You can't hold aggro without Rage, and the better you equipment gets, funny, it's harder to gain rage. Also don't forget about : Even when tanking and styling like mad, from 30-40% of the Aggro you gain is gained by white damage. So DPS helps you holding aggro twice.

But still, this is maybe the best tanking weapon which can be easily obtained still Mandokir (the raptor freak in Zul'Gurub) only requires one good tank (diremaul tanking equip will do fine - valor won't ^^) and a few quite good equipped healers. DPS isn't that way much important. There is no MC-equipment required at all, really ^^

And.... you don't need to buy a book for it like you have to for some other sword I won't mention by name.

Kommentar von Thottbot

BLD>QUEL WHY?
Cheaper
Faster
+def stats not proc
more stam
+80AC

Kommentar von Thottbot

comparing quel and BL's is fun... but stupid... i have blood lords and i can care less about quel.. but if i had quel i wouldnt roll on blood lords... there both great swords and i dont see replacing either sword for a very long time... dont worry about stats.. dont worry about what anyone is telling you.. this sword owns.. its fast.. 150 hps.. armor.. D.. everythign you need... only one weapon compares and theres not point in having 1 over the other

=)
Gideon
ELdre Thalas

Kommentar von Thottbot

This dropped last night. I'm frowning cause I'm a rogue and bloodlord dropped the wrong blade. /cry

And one of my fellow rogues tried to spend dkp on it. :( Didn't get it, went to a tank, which ironically was her husband lol.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Agree with Tiili :)

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm assuming your referring to Quel'Serrar ?

It drops in onyxia's... and i dont know many people that still run that place. So good luck getting it. If you do get it. Gratz. So for a sword that is obtainable... get Bloodlord

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Definitly a good substitute for Quel... and 10% drop rate means no more dumping dozens of hours in DM hoping for a crap drop rate item to fall. Got this sword on my 2nd ZG run, got his nice tanking ring on the first run. This guy is an ATM for warriors.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this 6 or 7 days ago, looks nice and good for tanking :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

After many weeks of concentration on MC I decided to Organize and help lead some ZG raids.

We've killed Bloodlord 3 out of 3 visits now and this sword has dropped twice!

Our Main Tanks are now equiped with these, and I love it! such an awsome sword to tank with and looks far the best.

ps. the picture of the warlock with sword is probably making Warriors cry reading this =P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i was the only guy in the raid who could use swords and had a worse weapon before, so i rolled on it and won. i dont care what the *!@# are you thinking about me, i rolled on it because i had ^&*! gear before. now i have a #$%^ weapon but at least its epic. btw im a lock...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i'm a main tank with Thunderfury and since now its off-hand able i've done a fun duelwield put this in my main-hand and Thunderfury in off-hand and guess wut i pwn in PvP so if u ever get both like me try it its fun

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3693...lrodxk3.png

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is a great item to pair up with a good 2h'er Untamed/Zin's. I currently have Zin just need to snag this badboy and I can take full advantage of weapon spec.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Finally I got this tank-sword (4th run, 1x drop)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

On about my 3rd ZG run to Raptor boss (Mandokir) this sword dropped, along with his +7 defense ring Overlord's Crimson Band . Since my guild is just rolling for items in ZG, I rolled need on both and won.

IMO this is just as good as Quel'Serrar as the stats are static and not a lucky proc, however frequent it might be. It is also a hell of a lot easier to farm than the Quel, which boosts it's greatness.

Another image of the sword on a dwarf warrior: Hotness

Edited, Wed Oct 26 02:15:13 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Clearly a hunter weapon.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this last night, it rules =D Amazing sword.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This amazing item drops of Bloodlord Mandokir. Mandokir is the third boss located in the Zul Gurrub Instance. He is not one of Hakkars high priests and does not have to be killed to kill fight Hakkar. He is located just past that of Venoxis, and up a large series of stairs.
The guide for killing him, and claiming your phat lewt can be found here:
Blutfürst Mandokir

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this just the other night, because all of the Warriors had it, and the rogues didn't want it.

I'm a warlock. Haha.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

can someone shoot the nab in that picture for wearing valor shoulders please?

O.o

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Well, if you already have both, put crusade on QS, and chain BD. You never know when youll need chain on good weapon. For example, I have one chanied sword for BRD mostly. When i farm DI, going for burning essences and stuff...If you have BD and dont have QS, put crusader on BD. Its waste of money to spend 1k+ g on Foror's compendium, so you could get QS. Imo, QS is slightly beter then BD. Beter spend that money on nifty enchants, or mats for FR/NR gear... Something like that.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I hate this weapon. It never drops. I've been farming ZG since may (twice every week) and never dropped. Halbert of Smiting has dropped five times, 4 times got disenchanted. I HATE YOU BLOODLORD MANDOKIR!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Awesome tanking sword. This is a prime tank weap to use up until Widow's Remorse, easily!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

We call this the Quel Serrar Jr.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Goddamn I just gotta rant about this

If anyone in my guild reads this,.. they'll be able to tell it's me *grins*

But basically this dropped tonight, and our current best equipped prot spec tank, is using the Timeworn Mace ...

They let everyone bid dkp on this

A rogue won

Needless to say, I'm annoyed... and of course, I'm that prot spec tank =P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I can't believe a Warlock is using this.

Edited, Jul 7th 2006 at 12:26pm EDT by cdcweb

Kommentar von Allakhazam

well I will tell ya this I am going for the BD because to me the to me it is a better blade, well that is just me.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This dropped for me yesterday on a guild run, i have QS and all the tanks were saying BD is better than QS (I'm in an Nef Farming guild) and so i got this, think i'll put a +15 agi on it as i have crusader on my QS doesn't matter now that i have both which one i use but Imo if i have +15 agi on BD it will be a tiny bit better.

If you have both then use Quel'serrar, if you only have BD then go for QS if you have the money,if you already have QS then keep it...that proc is priceless.

Just to add something to what this guy said, if you have BD DO NOT buy QS the difference between them both is very slow and not worth the 1000g it will cost.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

One of our MT's got this yesterday, its pretty nice ^^.

Krenaste, Warstomp Clan, Thunderlord

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ashamed to say that a warlock has it on our server. vampirella of "the remains" you should be really proud of yourself.

+15 stam = warlock item. gg.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Yeah as a rogue i would get the fistweapons or the other 2 swords dropping in there XD

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If u are a warrior currently running ZG alot...Dont waste your time on the Quel...its not worth it to farm it or pay 1000g. Take a free sword thats just as good!Also if u do pick this baby up slap a crusader and wammy u have an awsome tanking weapon!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

A rogue in our guild got this about a week ago, but only on the grounds that all the warriors had things like Quel, or around that...I wasnt in the raid though, and me being the usual Main Assist tank, I almost cried when I heard it dropped, and a rogue just got it for nothing.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got it on a ZG run hosted by my guild, it was spendid. Also got Primal Hakkari Idol as well. All off just Mandokir.

Edited, Oct 1st 2006 at 11:27pm PDT by NEKaelan

Kommentar von Allakhazam

21 Kills and no Defender...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Good for tanks

Kommentar von Allakhazam

some warlock on stormreaver ninjalooted that

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is an MT item and nothing else.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

--

Edited, Mon Feb 13 14:55:13 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

thottbot has a great post on a comparison of stats and effectiveness of both the qs and this sword. I as the mt in my guild would take either. The diferences overall are very small and which one is better is arguable. I just got this two nights ago (lost it several times with old guild to a person who will do anything to get out of tanking-fury spec warrior...) But i just put crusader on it. They are both great weapons and a tank could be happy with either of them. I would like to have the qs, but i am saving up to get my Thunderfury. I have both windseeker bindings, the essence of the firelord, and about 40 arc bars out of 100(damn thing is outrageous to build) That is the ultimate tank weapon in the game hands down and the proc affects the bosses as well on attack speed.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does it hang on your back, or at your side?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm going after mine on Nov. 1st. Wish me luck.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Edited, Tue Jan 17 05:11:28 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Of course this is a tank wepon. BTW people dps from a tank has been proven irrelevent so this>quel and why would u want a dagger? U cant tank with a dagger. Well you can but not as affectivly.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I finally got this tonight in a PUG ZG run sponsored by my guild

We've been farming mandi for about a month and a half now and we havent had one drop. One finally did and my guildmaster told the non-guildies it went to me since im MT and we've been trying to get one. I was overjoyed =D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Heh,.. I ended up getting Eskhandar's Right Claw, and said I'd let the off-tank get this when it drops..

And it drops *rolls eyes*

Got his nice +7 def ring though...

Still want that damn Aegis

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Is the art on the blade upside down?

does look kinda wierd just looking at it, n then once you've seen the Halberd of Smiting with the identical blade design......

Edited, Tue Feb 7 10:37:19 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

snagged this badboy last night and am ever so happy....If you had asked me before hand I'd have said gimme a QS on the strength of rumors you will be able to upgrade it in the future. Anyhow, this drops and the other tank already had his QS. I'm more thrilled about the response from my guild and the /t bombardment of gratz I recieved.

Loot < friends
but FRIENDS + loot = one happy tank.
Mandy is supposed to be alot tougher after the minipatch and I suppose he was because it was a long bloody battle, but we killed him and he was also kind enough to drop his bow for one of our hunters. Add in the epic quest item, dude coughed up 3 purple items!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://home.arcor.de/evilmantis/Games/BloodlordsDefender.jpg

Edited, Wed Sep 21 11:04:09 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does it sit on ur back when it isnt in ur hands?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Well I am here to tell you that a warrior can certainly tank with whatever he/she wants to...high dps...reasonable swing speed rate, good enough to build rage for specials...high weapon damage for that last 20% to switch from defense to battle for executes...So this weapon does all those things but some daggers or axes...I mean seriously would you turn down the Edge of Chaos axe from BWL? I for one wouldn't look a gift hors in the mouth for that bad boy...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3693/bloodlrodxk3.png

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Edited, Sat Oct 29 00:14:58 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Since the Quel'Serrar is looking awfully grim to me at the moment, this badboy will do. Just got this yesterday and threw crusader on it. I was the only warrior with enough DKP. Nice.!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

At last Timeworn mace no more, and screw foror's tbh, cba to farm the stupid book anymore. <3 mandokir

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Better than Quel'Serrar for tankadins :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got it ;)

speedy...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Bloordlord's Defender and Halberd of Smiting. The Defender hangs at your side.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I like this as a tank weapon, no second on the stamina and the defense. However, I wouldn't mind taking a core hound tooth or fang of the faceless, those stats are nice too and the extra dps never hurt a tank.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I am having a hard time choosing between this and the Quel.

Tankpoints favors the BD, but that doesn't account for the QS proc. That proc is invaluable, and everyone knows how much it goes off. Who knows how many times it has made the difference for me over the course of a long boss fight?

The BD definitely feels weaker in terms of DPS across the board, but the bonus I'm getting for my dodge & overall AR is really hard to ignore. I have the mats for Crusader, but I'm hesitant. It might be my imagination, but it seems as if the Quel holds aggro a touch better, maybe from the slightly higher damage, or the proc? I would hate to waste those orbs on something that I will, ultimately, not use as my #1 weapon.

Opinions?

Edited, Jul 29th 2006 at 10:04am EDT by WylanBloodwrath

Kommentar von Allakhazam

As the name would imply.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Maybe I'm just a "noob", but unless Quel procs ALOT, it is in no way a better sword for a tank. I love this sword. Faster, consistant def stat, armor, and more stam. And more importantly MUCH easier to obtain.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/broodlord_warlock.jpg

^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got mine last night in our ZG raid! Wiped from bloodlord on 1st attempt cuz dps didnt wait on sunders but next try we dropped him, and I won the point auction for this! Wewtz!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ok, this just made me rethink my reasons for farming foror's.

Edit: Post a picture please

Edited, Fri Sep 16 20:38:51 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this nice Warlock Sword from Zul Gurub... on our 4th guild raid.
in those 4 raids it dropped 3 times :-)
The 3rd one is now mine

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got a ZG raid this weekend and hoping we reach Mando and this beauty drops. Would be a godsend for me to win as well. Atm im using the Bone slicer since i love axes, and its fast and just sweet (even tho a tad bit common)
Def boost is ace, a must have for tanks and the warlocks who have this.. just hope you spam life tap for the sta boost :)

p.s Hey that orc in the pic looks exactly like my main :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got this sword on my protection/holy pally (25/26/0) a few days ago. I wouldn't have taken it but our MT had QS, another warrior had this sword and i out rolled a rogue and new warrior (had gotten 2 epics in MC and 2 in ZG already due to the other warriors being so well geared). Turns out "someone" ported out to IF and was spamming that i was a ninja for taking it over a warrior (the new warrior with 4 new epics that day), totally ignoring the fact that i out rolled him and we do open rolls for drops in ZG. Will tanking lower instances for fun as a pally really always be this frowned upon? I hope not.

Love the sword, very fast for seal of retribution and i ended up putting +15 str enchant on it. Tanked a scholo and strat live group the day after i got it and am really enjoying it.

Edited, Jun 26th 2006 at 12:11pm EDT by VladHellscream

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Very nice weapon if you cannot get Quel'Serrar for any reason...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got mine last night and have to say it is a fine tanking weapon. Been trying to get it since 1.7 came out=P.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Bloodlord's Defender

Edited, Sun Sep 18 01:17:10 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

IMO better than quel'serrar. i got this last night and replaced my qs and i like it alot better. better stamina. a set amount of +4 def, faster (not much but actually noticeable). i like it alot more than i did my qs and looks great. arguable thouhg about whats better but im definitly taking sides with this baby :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

our MT got it yesterday. Sweet weapon.

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