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Kommentar von 1642

Uber pwnage

Kommentar von Asher

One of, if not the best tanking trinkets in the game at this point. What makes it even better is that the drop rate is somewhat reasonable, and will allow all the tanks in your guild to be geared with this rather quickly.

Kommentar von 8356

Pre-TBC this is the best main tank trinket in the game, with Onyxia blood right behind it.

Kommentar von 24730

At level 70, Styleen's easily remains among the best tank trinkets in the game. In my opinion, a suitable upgrade has yet to be implemented.

Kommentar von 83140

People at 70 still run BWL just to get this for their tanks.
My buddy never had it, he joined one of the best guilds in the u.s. and i looked him on the armory now he has it.....hell ill go prot if i win it.

Kommentar von clavarnway

Nihilum's main tank, Kungen, still uses this at level 70. Quite impressive.

Kommentar von 93865

Styleen's Rhythm Palace is a popular music club in Syracuse, New York. Apparently the developers are fans.

Kommentar von 1032

Wow just noticed that Kungen from Nihilum is wearing this thing. How is it that good? Are there any other lvl 60 items that stand the test of time like this one? I'm thinking maybe Rejuvenating Gem.

Kommentar von Sapphidia

The main reason this (and the other 3 BWL trinkets) are so good, is because Blizzard altered the philosophy behind trinkets slightly in BC.

Pre-BC, trinkets fell into two camps generally - powerful Passive trinkets like Styleens, and weird On Use trinkets like the Fetish of the Sandreaver or Badge of the Swarmguard.

When BC arrived, almost every single trinket has two components to it. A passive effect, and either an On Use effect (usually with 2 minute cd and 20 second duration, or at least a timing to make sure it's active roughly 1/6 of the time) or some kind of Proc effect like the Hourglass of the Unraveller.

The reason Styleen's and the other BWL are still popular is because they're fully passive and their passive effects -generally- beat the passive effects of all by the very very best of the BC trinkets. Of course, they don't have an On Use or Proc effect, but a lot of players tend to think of such effects as a bit gimmicky and don't factor them into their choices when selecting trinkets.

Personally I still use Styleens a lot at 70, in my 5man Block gear paired with the Autoblocker for trash. It's long since been usurped from my raidboss tanking set, but I really can't see it ever being sold until something comes along with a lot more block value that can be paired nicely with the autoblocker.

Kommentar von Thottbot

It drops in Blackwing Lair, an instance full of bosses that take forever to kill, that a Paladin will never, ever tank.

Warrior trinket.

Kommentar von Thottbot

a paladin is not a good tank. sure, u got plate armor, sure u got some useful seals, BUT u need mana to cast them. whereas a warrior is more efficient the more his ass gets kicked, a paladin is only capable of holding aggro as long as his mana allows him to do so.
another point: a good tank is more than a aggro machine. uve gotta take as little damage as possible, despite holding aggro. defensive stance = 10% less damage. def spec = +10 def skill, +10% armor, +5% block chance, +5% dodge chance, 2 guaranteed blocks every 7 secs, stun resistance etc. a paladin lacks most of these things.

I'm not going to argue that pallies are better or even as good as warriors, but this is what paladins have:

+10 def skill, +10% armor, +5% parry chance, +30% chance to block after being critted, +30 chance to block in the form of a spell that can block up to 4 times and be used every 8 sec(these stack so although not as useful individually used, but together gives you the guarateed block warriors get(also the spell block does holy damage which helps threat generation if the mob is judged with fury)), and 25% more damage blocked by shield.

Plus a paladin is not dependent on another class to get +60 to resistances and/or another 800 armor from aura's, not too mention with improved lay of hands they can throw that on themselves if the healers are getting low on mana, and get a 30% armor boost and get a bit more mana (providing they were oom when they cast it) for additional threat generation abilities. Also judging a mob with wisdom while using seal of fury, the JoW can proc several times per hit allowing fairly rapid mana regeneration while still building threat.

A warrior is still a better tank overall, because they have several other "Abilities" a pally does not, and of course the LoH can only be used once every 40 min (1 hour without talent points), not too mention LoH can be used on a warrior so that's not really a good arguement to begin with. However, of what you listed we have it all, except the stun resistance of course, which is possible to shield out of but as a tank that's never a good idea unless as a very final last resort.

This trinket totally kicks major ass and I want it very much, but it would of course go to a "Protection Warrior" before me. Obviously an arms, or fury warrior will be not using a shield as often therefore a "Protection Pally" gets the next shot at it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

A Warrior is a tank, first in foremost. That is what they are designed to do. They are designed to sit there and hold aggro while they get pounded to hell. The combination of buffs and heals keep this Ultra Advanced Target Dummy alive while the enemy gets gang raped by the rest of the raid party.

This is not what the Paladin was designed for. Despite having a protection tree, they cannot possibly tank at the same level as a warrior can. In my opinion, Paladin prot specced is the 2nd best tank in the game. A decked out paladin may even out tank a crappy-geared warrior.

However, when your in an instance such as MC / BWL, you cannot have a 2nd best tank. You gotta have the BEST possible tanks in place, which are the warriors. This is for the good of the guild.

BTW my main is a 60 paladin, and I love playing him. But I know what my role is, and its not to tank. Its to provide important secondary support for all other classes.

Kommentar von Thottbot

im a druid and rolling on this for tanking would be like spending dkp on thunderfury. I cant use it and it takes away from others. Paladins useing shields to tank with in end game isntances dosnt happen. If the main tanks are down and battle resses are down the drudis go bear and tank. Not the paladins. then when we go down its consindered a wipe. so why do pallys need shield block increase in end game instaces. they dont. end of story. Shut up you noobs and post here after youve done end game instaces. if ou are not a warrior i dont want you to post anything on this EVER again

fannirun 60 druid allince maelstrom

Kommentar von Thottbot

Last run we got this trinket. And all warriors that don't have it yet were not in the raid. Healerdine won it by overbidding our "tanking" rogue (sometimes he tanks for fun bosses like Onyxia or some ZG bosses and does it quite well - just need more healing then usual tanks). This is plain simple - as soon as all warriors have it, someone should pick it up. It's a waste to DE it. And I am sure that each top guild that has BWL on farm status sooner or later will start to give it to pallies.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Paladins can tank. Except it can't be a boss, or anything that anyone else in the party is hitting at all. But if there's an add loose for whatever reason, then a healadin can take him off to the side somewhere until the tank gets to it. As for being a MAIN TANK, or even a primary OT, um.... LOL! Whats sad is that Blizzard actually thought it would be a good idea to ruin Deathbone Armor by turning it into a tanking set for paladins. I'm sure it's great for places like Stratholme and all, where a hunter could tank if he wanted to.

Bottom line, if you are serious about wanting to tank, then roll a warrior. Most of our talents and abilities are geared towards generating massive threat and being able to take massive punishment without dying from it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I just received the Scrarab last night, first for our guild.

I can't decide now on which trinket combo to use for physical damage tanking.

Should I use the scarab with the life giving gem or should I use the scarab with the Ony trinket.

Edit to add: I'm prot, have 7/8 wrath, have both zg enchants, heavy dark iron ring, medallion of steadfast might, Overlord's Embrace...meaning I have plenty of defense. Just wondering if using Lifegiving Gem instead of Ony trinket is the way to go.

Kommentar von Thottbot

The drop rate seemed to be low for the longest time and finally I got one. Awesome trinket for sure.

First the MT's (Main Tanks) will receive this trinket followed by the OT's (Off tanks) Then DPS warriors will get it. Than yes, Paladins.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Got it an hour ago, we've been lucky I guess, had 2 drop in 6-7 kills (2 Ashandi's too) =D

3 months and yet to have a SINGLE wrath helmet drop though.

And well, I do notice the extra blocked damage, and the 5% more block is really nice. 13 defense on top on that and this is THE perfect trinket as far as I know =)

Oh, and hunterweaponlololol!111oneone and all that ;)

Kommentar von Thottbot

who ever thinks paladins cant tank should really watch this one hope you enjoy.
paladins can tank we dont even need a set gear to do it, this should prove it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2499012716179943372&q;=paladin+tank

Kommentar von Thottbot

Still a very good trinket for the few of us that got it Pre-BC. :)

Many MTs still use it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

It's funny seeing all these comments coming from people who either have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and want to put in their 2 cents worth anyway, or just have played only one class but like to diss the other class (usually the warrior dissing the prot pally).

Today I (prot pally) was in a PUG with another warrior tank (prot spec) in BEM doing the side quest with the 4 dragons (combine their scales and get a cloak). The warrior has SSC/TK experience (I could tell from a few pieces of his gear), while I just tanked Kara for the first time with my guild a few days ago (3 bosses down!). Healer was a shammy, and dps was a mage (yes we 4-manned it).

Before we started there were a few jokes from the healer and mage about a tank-off floating around.

Let's just say, to sum it up, there was no competition for aggro gain and holding aggro, regardless of who started first. And yes, there was only one boss each time (72 elite in all 4 cases).

By the time we finished, if I was the warrior I would have went and packed my bags and respec'd or rerolled.

Looking at the stats, my DPS was significantly higher than the warrior's, I had aggro all the way regardless who pulled first, and aggro regain after being feared from the dragon.

Before some of you start calling the warrior a nub and such, doesn't matter how nub you are if you're not a certain level, you won't be making it in 25mans regardless how your team holds you up.

But all I'm saying is Pally tanks are here, and here to stay. And i notice the attitude of players on the server are now readily accepting AND preferring Pally tanks in 5 man normal/heroics as compared to 6 months ago when i couldn't get a run anywhere. (My thanks to my guild who graciously accepted me as their MT).

My advice to all you Pally tanks out there, keep up the good work, run with open minded people and gear up as you go. Hit the 490 defence (uncrittable) mark first, then work on your avoidance to target 102.4% (uncrushable vs 72 Elite bosses).

Don't listen to the 'know-it-alls' who have no idea about Pally tanking, because in your half greens and blues you will start to do things like pull the whole of each segment (room or hall) in Shattered Halls, and hold aggro on every single mob without the need of CC.

From a guild of greenies/blues to 3rd boss down in their first Kara run, first completion of each heroic instance, now to half blues/epic gears - all MT by a Prot Pally. Finishing Kara this week, then farming it until all our guys are fitted out.

Will let you know when we down Gruuls and move to SSC and TK.

Kommentar von Thottbot

who the hell is Styleen?

Kommentar von Thottbot

The best tanks in the game still use this trinket.

I still use this trinket, Kungen still uses this trinket and countless more who've been around since the old days when BWL was the @#$%.

As far as a paladin vs warrior for a tank goes...

A paladin can tank multiple mobs better than a warrior.

A warrior can tank a single mob better than a paladin.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

HOLY @#$%BALLS!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Paladins must have items with + intellect +spirit they are not tanks this is Main tank trinket

Edited, Fri Aug 19 06:17:47 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm a Paladin - and I want it as well. I have crafted the Force Reactive Disk for myself (See? I do MC already! :p) and since the pally is very low on choices with +block (essential for using the FRD), I'd try to get every bit I can get. I already have the +2 block% enchant + Darkrune Gauntlets, and since I can't use the Might/Wrath pieces, this is one of my last options for added block%.

But ofcourse, tanks get priority on this baby :)

Edited, Sun Feb 5 01:37:00 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Someone tell me where this drops

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The level 50 paladin "wants to be the owner of that". Well.. Unless you are in a better raid than I can imagine, you will never, ever have that item.

It will have to drop a number of times equal to the number of warriors in the raid before you can get a chance of aquiring one. lol

Edit: And isnt it sad that Blizzard make stuff like this and plan to remove a huge chunk of its beauty in the next patch? -33% defence on items.. Yummie. =/

Edited, Mon Aug 22 00:56:23 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I have no idea who Styleen is, and I tryed to search for it, but no trace to be found.
Someone, please tell who Styleen is!
Styleen's impending scarab.
Styleen's sour suckpop.
Styleen's cart.

WHO IS STYLEEN!

Mystery is yet to be unsolved by mankind.

Edited, Mon Jun 5 09:57:46 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Blackwing Lair, don't know who off of, must be one of the first two bosses for it to have been even discovered yet.

NO %^&* SHIRLOCK OK THANKS JESUS CHRIST.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

omg i would like this trinket so much... id take 2 of em ^^ they're not unique right? so its possible

Kommentar von Allakhazam

now that all our 5 warriors have this trinket it could be possible that a possible receives it :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

By far one of the best tanking trinkets in the game, only surpassed in defense by the Ony trinket

Kommentar von Allakhazam

a few things i am 'omg'ing...first of all, why are all the first posts on allah always "where does this drop?" KID how did u get to this page besides having already been searching a BWL boss that you knew was a BWL boss, or just were too ridiculously and utterly slow to read that it says Blackwing Lair over every conceivable link to this page. I mean there was no way you could click any link to this page and it didn't say Blackwing Lair right above it. No offense to you people here, I have wanted to post that all up and down allah for weeks! This site is very well designed, once i found this i immediately stopped using Thot (while my french is ok, german is nilch, I dont like having to translate video game information to english for myself, not to mention lots of other gripes with that site). But beyond that, I came really to ask Bliz why oh why this item isn't "Classes: Paladin, Warrior, Shaman" item. It's like they want a rogue to get this and be like "what, defense is good for me!" Personally doesn't effect me as hunter who is smart enough to not roll for this. But i feel bad for the hearthache this item is naturally going to cause for all of you when working with, as mentioned above, the obviously 'high-caliber' minds of the average WoW player...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

well, a trinket that is worth more than 10 talent points of a class should be artifact or higher imo.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Level 1 elite?
uh huh..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

who the heck is styleen and why is his/her cart sitting in Gadgetzan?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

THIS GOES TO MAIN TANKS YOU *!@#ING MORONS

Kommentar von Allakhazam

hoooly $%^&?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Wowsers, sells for 10g at the merchant!1

That'd cover repair bills, I reckon; worth the whole raid rolling on it to cover their costs.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Not nerfed as of 10.2.05
Very nice trinket.
Not sure why all the people not in guilds that have killed him would argue over who gets it. Seems like the guilds that have done it would be in a position to discuss that.

My guild is horde, but if we were alliance we'd have let a paladin buy that. You need to understand, guilds that have beaten through Firegor in BWL are already well geared from MC and the rest of BWL--the argument of loot classes is still present but much less important.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

So when does a Paladin tank? I was very confused about the listing of this item on http://www.wow-loot.com/raid-bwl.htm at first but now that I think about it. The +13 Defense is great and would benefit a guild more on a Feral Druid than on a Paladin. (let the beating begin)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

my paladin would like to be the owner of this very badly

Kommentar von Allakhazam

seriously, drool, even tho if our guild ever gets it, it will go to main tank auto

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this from the last drake the other night our second one now ^_^ happy warrior..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

There is no reason that doesn't say "Classes: Warrior, Paladin, Shaman" on it. That is a sob story waiting to happen.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

We got this dropped last night. furyofwar.com

Kommentar von Allakhazam

What are these nerfed to (defense wise) after patch?

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