Kommentare

Kommentar von Morrik

Excellent weapon for a Warrior or even a Hunter. Warriors have priority in my guild due to not having many of them. Has a surprising high drop rate it would seem.

Kommentar von 2196

An excellent warrior weapon, and although the 22 agility would make it a pretty nice hunter weapon with a 25 agility enchant, the melee proc is normally enough to discourage any hunter from bidding on it. There are far better hunter weapons, and generally 1H weapon combinations yield the best stats for hunters anyway.

Kommentar von 3118

2 Bone Slicing Hatchets
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=18737

are far superior for hunters. However you're not saying it's a hunter weapon anyhow.

The proc is STR, not AP, so it belongs in the hands of classes that calculate strength as 2 AP, instead of 1. IIRC this is Paladins, Warriors, and Shamans. Pity that Shamans cannot use swords, because this would be a terrific enhancement weapon.

Due to proc-style combat, this can make paladins very happy. Crusader enchant, this proc, and a seal can ensure *something* happens every 3 or 4 swings. It really makes a class with not (current) instant melee ability more fun. IMHO Warriors (who go 2 hand) should desire more base DPS, slower speed, and more consistant stats. For 2h Fury, a spec becoming very popular, this works out as a great grinding tool (+600 AP ) but the proc rate doesn't warrant the stat cut for total raid DPS.

Kommentar von 6684

absolutely not a hunter weapon, the 300 str proc makes it warrior priority hands down, plus with the agi attack power nerf zin'rokh would give way more agi than this even without an enchant

Kommentar von Nolimit

It's nice weapon but if your guild is doing OK in other instances you can get better weapons, even in ZG.

Kommentar von 7121

With crusader enchant, this is arguably the best sword in BWL. Proc for UTB is 300 str, and proc for crusader is 100 str. total of 400 STR if they both proc x 2 AP (for a warrior 1 str = 2 ap) = 800 AP.

Kommentar von 8067

I'd say this procs...maybe once every 12 hits.

Kommentar von 7343

Crusader + UTB proc rocks with Bloodthirst. Can easy crit with Bloodthirst for 2000 when the proc is active + crusader. I Would prefer UTB over Ashkandi and Draketalon Cleaver for a 2H fury spec warrior.

Kommentar von 77438

i had this on my paladin. untamed fury (the +300 strength buff) can proc of judgement and crusader strike

Kommentar von 65022

This was blade was copied and recolored in TBC for the weapon Talon of Azshara.

Kommentar von Thottbot

one of the best weapons in the game

Kommentar von Thottbot

Why should a hunter win this roll over a warrior or a pally? Oh oh it has agility on it, and any weapon with agility = a hunter weapon right? Wrong.

Im currently in a guild that does MC weekly and hasn't even started on BWL and I hear hunters always complaining about wanting it.

Hunters, you do ranged damage, you're the only class who can put out mega dps with a gun/xbow/bow why would you want a weapon designed for a melee class. You only melee when you wing clip and then run off. Giving this item to a hunter is a complete waste of the proc. And any hunter who complains about that deserves to lose the dkp they would spend on this item.

Kommentar von Thottbot

On top of that, Lok'Delar with a +25 agi on it blows this weapon out of the water. And seriously, if you want to be a Melee Hunter, that thing does the job just fine.

The Untamed Blade
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Sword
192 - 289 Damage Speed 3.40
(70.7 damage per second)

Vs.

Lok'delar, Stave of the Ancient Keepers
Binds when picked up
Unique
Two-Hand Staff
187 - 282 Damage Speed 3.20
(73.3 damage per second)

Melee Hunter, eat your heart out.

Kommentar von Thottbot

OUR GUILD DOES GROPU LOOT IN BWL LLOOL

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8176/grouplootbwllolz7eq.jpg

Kommentar von Thottbot

Did that Shaman roll on TUB?
Friggin' insane...What happened?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Guys wake up this is not a hunters item lol this items is a warrior item who cares that it gives 22 agillity?hunters don't hit very much with there melle attacks so the chanse on hit effects in unusless for a hunter.This is only for warriors and maybe dps palas.Whoever hunter press need in this he is a fool there are many weapons better for hunters the epic polarm that gives 44 agillity that's a hunter item.

Kommentar von Thottbot

man I'd love this thing on my warrior. I was in AV when I saw an Undead guy running around with this thing. I was following him most of the time, and we were about to attack the North bal whatever tower when five alliance guys (three of em warriors, a pally, and a mage)... this undead warrior was about to die when boom... he killed em all. it was like PEWPEWPEW.

point is.... it's a beautiful weapon =*D

Kommentar von Thottbot

this is DESTINY's bigger brother, more dps more stats more buff

Kommentar von Thottbot

my guild is Practicing BWL now we killed Razgor for 3 Times now and he didnt drop it but if he does i can't say Pallies Deserve it first tho im a Pally but here it is Warriors>Paladins>Hunters
and Hunters Can i ask you what are you going to do With +300 Str put it in your ass huh . and For Warriors/Paladins Who have Put on it Crusader and it will Be One of The Most Best Weapons in WOW , trust me , I think Hunters are Trying to Hide There Retarded Armor it Looks Like someone Just #$%^ted and Made That Armor ( i don't mean the Stats i mean The Outside Look) so they want a good 2H Weapon even if it means Taking it from those Who use it Better so they can Hide there Gay Armor .

Kommentar von Thottbot

The only reason I could see a hunter taking this item over a warrior/pally is if they did an extreme amount of PvPing. Its true hunters occasionally melee but normally only when they are forced into it. Now any hunter that is forced into melee is going to want to do as much damage in as little time as possible so that they can get back out of melee range and start dishing out their heavy ranged DPS. Having basically only one melee attack (Raptor Strike) and it being on a 6 second cooldown hunters have a very limited use of the UTB�s proc.

And any smart hunter that receives this item would most likely put 25 agility on it to get the best Ranged AP out of it as they could. However dual wielding two Bone Slicing Hatchets both enchanted with 15 agility would produce better stats than the UTB.

Bone Slicing Hatchet
Binds when picked up
One-Hand Axe
48 - 90 Damage Speed 1.70
(40.6 damage per second)
+13 Agility
+5 Stamina

x2 with 15 agility enchants
56 agility = 112 ranged AP
10 stam

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The Untamed Blade
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Sword
192 - 289 Damage Speed 3.40
(70.7 damage per second)
+22 Agility
+16 Stamina

With 25 agility enchant
47 agility = 94 ranged AP
16 stam

Soooo a hunter taking this item for stats would be losing 18 ranged AP and some crit at the gain of 6 stam. Last time I checked hunters preferred crit and AP to stam.

And a hunter that is taking this item for melee would only be seeing a slight upgrade in their damage compared to Lok'delar.

Warrior , Pallys , and shards for the guild bank item.

Kommentar von Thottbot

alright understand this Warriors can get full use from TUB, Pallies "can" but nowhere near what a warrior can. as for unters, your screwed, yes the agil is amazing IF you stack a 25 agil enchant on it but dont forget unless your survival (good luck getting into any end game guild with that spec) your simply wasing the proc. think about it, you almost always range, only time you do melee is for wing clip (someone mentioned that earlier) and ALL your dps comes from your bow/gun/xbow. Get 2 bone slicing hatchets and let the classes that can use this weap get it (Im a pally that uses HOS (Halberd of Smiting for those who dont know) and although i would love to get this im saving my points for Herald of Woe, much better for us)

Kommentar von Thottbot

This weapon is obviously made for warriors, because of it's proc. Fact of the matter is, if none of the warriors or paladins want it, then the roll will then go to the hunters, because they too can use it. Obviously none of you know how DPK works, and classes roll on it separately. Lern2raid terribles.

Blanca 60 Warrior Spirestone
Balerafon 60 Rogue Jadenar
Chimbop 60 Hunter Spirestone
Zammy 60 Mage Illidan
Xeqtr 60 druid Kul Tiras

Kommentar von Thottbot

Pretty much all the paladins and warriors have this weapon in my guild now. I've been searching for a two hander for PVP and UTB is sort of winning me over

( I am a hunter ) but the DoW has a lot more stamina and attack power, but I am survival build and the agility will increase my "over all" agility and give me more crit etc.

hmm

Kommentar von Thottbot

We've been farming bwl for a few months now. Recently we've gotten an increase in teh drop rate of this sword. I am a fury warrior so when it dropped i didnt think anything of it, and either did the rest of the raid. A hunter wanted the item so we gave it to him.....anyone who wants to spend dkp on this item should be able to get it. Well, i asked him why he wanted it and his response was so classic.

"Meh, i really only want it so i can equip it in Iron Forge and piss off all the warriors"

LMFAO

The following week it dropped again so when everyone passed on it again, i picked it up. Temporarily switched my spec to MS warrior.......i dont know what to say but wow. I really love it......but not enough to stay MS.

Its a great farming weapon.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm now level 66 and I still use this thing. I ran Underbog last night (at level 65) and did about 90% of the dps a level 70 rogue was doing. The proc on this thing is definitely the only reason I have kept it. It is almost always on. I've had it for around a year and a half. I'm going to get all misty eyed the day I replace it, although whatever takes it's spot will probably be a pretty good weapon.

Anyone know if Bliz recycled the graphic for any BC weapons? I haven't found anything that is using it yet, and this is easily my favorite weapon graphic in the entire game.

Kommentar von Thottbot

they used this graphic for an awesome one hand sword that drops in SSC

Kommentar von Thottbot

i made a pally twink for AV *really bad idea* he is ret with a ton of warrior gear on and i put crusader on it and they both proc so much its not even funny its a good wep with any enchant for warriors/pallys id rather give it to the guild enchanter then to a hunter

Kommentar von Thottbot

Still, one of the best looking weapons in game.

I keep it in my bank.

Kommentar von Thottbot

hey guys i just wanted to say how much i want this blade. im currently a 60 prot warrior but i think im going to switch arms my current wep is helreaver but ive always wanted this thing sencei saw a lvl 60 full might warrior with it when i was lvl 5 my char name is ruthar on medivh. oh and but the wayi would say this is a total warrior rec pally wep althoughi have seen quite a few hunters out there buti have nothing against them its just hey hunter why the hell get this when yah can get zinrkok or whatevr it is pulsi thought hunters use haevy melee ranged dps the last time i checked and come on if a awesome 1h sword drops that made for a hunter with like lots of crit and like 25agil or so9mething wouldnt you be a little mad if a arms warrior took it yah i would think so well srry to say buts its the same way with this wep and warriors

Kommentar von Thottbot

guys im a hunter. I have been hearin this 4 so long and let me put this right here... WARRIOR, PALLY WEP we 1st of all never need mele weps over wars or pallies and 2nd of all we only use mele weps to wingclip 3rd of all..... WE USE XBOWS GUNS AND BOWS!

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Kommentar von Allakhazam

geez! wat the heck lol

guess this paled destiny

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does the proc stack with the crusader proc?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Its so nice to see them making warrior weapons of this calaber. If one single hunter or rogue in my guild tried to aquire this in a raid, i would boot them immeaditly. But seeing as how all our toons know their class and how to play they wouldnt even dare.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I must say the proc is very nice when it happens but sadly it doesnt happen too often... Good sword tho.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This was ninja'd by a paladin. GG.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

meh this isn't even good compared to lok.. hunter epic staff. +2% to crit with lots of stam and int. +2% to crit > 22 agility.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

HAHA!
looks so sweet with a gnome wearing it, hes like half the lenght of his sword, how cute isn´t that? :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hey even if i was in a guild with a poorly equiped (insert class here) i would still roll on the damn thing even if i get "punished". It can drop once a week, not like once every 70 days. And if the guild doesnt like it, they can suck my left testicle.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm such a pala using 2h weapons in pvp and the wl getting a 2.4k crit and only seconds later a 2k crit looked very poor dying from a palydan. but the UTB is no weapon for me cause im using spinal reaper atm waiting for drace talon cleaver or herald of woe...so don't say palas dont benefit such weapons..

and the discussion about the use for the raid: which warri is runing with a 2h weapon to nefarian going to do a tank job? none. so the only use for the raid is pvp or farming and both do palas as well as warris...kkthxbye

Edited, Thu Feb 23 20:47:22 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can anyone with ProcWatch (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1995) can tell us whats the Procs/Min and the Hit/Proc please? Make sure that you let it run for at least one day so that we have a solid result.

Thanks.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

you need dps warriors at neferian...

1 dps warriors
2 everything else

Kommentar von Allakhazam

THIS is FOKING WARRIOR WEAPON ARMS SPECCED WHO DEAL DMG IN RAIDS ! and PALADINS who WANT OT PVP CAN HAVE IT TO DEPENDS ON GUILD ! ITS UR DKP U CAN DO WHAT U WANT :D so pl ....

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Most warriors with this should at least think about 2h fury. I've been ms all my life, and I love it, but if I got this...i'd go 2h fury. Just because the faster speed and weapon proc would benefit nominally from things like deathwish and FLURRY more than just hitting again.

Ps, hit 60 before you classify warriors as tanking only classes, dumb%^&*.

Edited, Oct 28th 2006 at 3:07pm PDT by Jick

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Strength is the warrior primary stat, doesnt that say anything to all the hunters that think this is their weapon?

I use my bow quite a lot, in PvP and tanking, I would say a hunter could roll on this, but only if I can roll on *any* ranged weapons/ammo that drops.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

What are you even having the hunter thing on this page? This weapon should have the words "Classes: Warrior" under the durability label.

Simple as this is a warrior slash and dice weapon that should come with a warning, saying "stay away from warriors, they are bad for your health".

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this one yesterday and yes im a warrior so its in good hands -_-

Kommentar von Allakhazam

How often does a hunter use a melee weapon in antything, especially raids. Barely ever. Go with the dawns edges(great for melee, plus crit, with the agil enchants)^&*!, i'll even buy them for you if you let me win that drop.

Let the real men/women wield real weapons.

Edited, Mon Dec 5 12:38:40 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Im 0/34/17 fury warrior, that weapon rox, with BS-300AP+600untamed+1200mine attackpower giefs u 2100AP! with bloodthrist u can crit for ~2000damage :P.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Finally got this last night after a couple months of waiting. Our first 2 dropped back to back then nothing for the longest time. Razors loot table is so full of garbage.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok you keep AR and i'll take this and you can be happy with your AR since it's "Better" lol

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone else foreseeing this to become an EXTREMELY common weapon in the very near future?

Drops from the first boss in BWL, which happens to be the first mob you meet in the instance and is supposedly very easy to beat as well. The sword's droprate seems vary high as well (probably very inaccurate at this point).

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Im a lvl 60 warrior on the look out for 2h upgrades. But in all honesty, id give this to my hunter friend. There are better 2h weapons for warriors and paladins out there. and with 3.4 attack speed, that 8 seconds isnt boosting your overall damage for more then 1 (maby 2) hits.

It's an upgrade, I's probly roll on it, but IMO it can be put to better use by hunters.

No point in attacking my comment. I wont be checking back.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok i dont care who you are this wep is so bad@ss looking

whats the shoulders they have equpted?

Trinixo 40NE hunter
Rinixo 48 Gnome Warr

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is too much of a beauty for any class that can do 2H swords. I suggest we all stop bickering and realize this would be a great weapon for anyone.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=190326

Is this real?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

shadow council ftw

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I am 2H fury warrior, but i wonder if we use Bloodthirst and Enrage at the same time, will we get 40% more damage? Would be cool : )

This blade probably deal high damage, LOL

>>Warriormakka

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does this stack with the Crusader enchant?
It would be insane if it did!
(dating back to previous posts, this is no hunter weapon, pure warrior, what kind of hunter needs +300 Strength as a chance on hit?)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

LOL Nothingforever, u said u read all the garbage under your post, well im guessing that too was garbage since we told you that Ice barbed spear from AV has equal stats to this. You want a pvp weapon? thats great pvp for it.
Also your little sook about how u attend 3x as many raids as warriors, well i dunno about your guild but unless u tank with druids in bear form i doubt that comment is true.
You want a high dps 2 handed weapon from bwl from a bwl raid to go pvp with... pull your hands out of your own ass because it wont happen. when u start meleeing raid mobs then u can have it. Until then keep quiet.
If i rolled on a ranged epic i bet you would /cry all over forums.
If you think u need to melee in pvp then you are realy bad at pvp, and if u let us warriors near u to do melee then youve already lost.
Theres many epic range wepons for Hunters just like theres many Epic 2handers for warriors.
You have a epic range weapon for pvp and raids right? use it and stop complaining, u dont see warriors complaining on forums about how they NEED a range weapon to be leet in pvp LOL
dont post on this website again unless you have a complaint that dosnt deserve an ass whooping.

Edited, Sun Aug 28 09:41:37 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

You know, all these people that don't want Hunters to have this or that weapon can just blow me.

We shouldn't try to get this because it's a "warrior" weapon (nevermind that 3 raids from now the warrior will get a better weapon and vendor this one), you don't want us to get Dal'Rends...what the hell DO you want us to get?

I am SO freakin tired of hearing all this crap about how hunters basically shouldn't try to get better *anything*...I suppose I shouldn't roll on beaststalker gear either right?

I actually got kicked from a raid in Scholo once for rolling on the Ancient Bone Bow because the rogue wanted it (and I didn't even win it). That's how bloody ridiculous this is getting.

To be honest this could just as easily go to a warrior, Paladin or Hunter equally because of the stats on it.

I personally (before I started putting together the beststalker set) went for gear that was +agi and +stam (for a few levels everything I had equppied was monkey gear, right down to the rings), so this weapon definitely is attractive stat-wise.

Why is it that the best gear a Hunter can get is ALWAYS claimed by other classes that are just going to replace it within a few raids? I would really like to understand this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

What do you guys think about this weapon compared to Bonereaver's Edge?

Bonereaver: 5.2 more DPS (206 - 310 Damage) / +1 crit / proc
Untamed Blade: 192 - 289 Damage / 22agi / proc

Apart from that the're basically the same. Is the 5.2 more DPS from bonereaver really that important? And doesn't the Untamed Blade's proc with a Crusader enchant easily outwin Bonereaver's?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i wouldnt mind rolling against a hunter for this being horde.

but to bad my guild puts 2h dps weapons on warrior priority XD

if i was alliance it would piss me off to see a possibly holy/protection pally attempting to spend dkp on it...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

im a hunter and i have it , and i certainly cant complain at the 1600 crits on rogue in melee.... can u say stay down !

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Love one of them for my pali, but unfortuantly he has no chance of getting into BLW, only me rouge can.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok hmms let me think.

warrior weapon or Hunter weapon?
hmms let me think this true wile i say something.

Im a Guildleader and we use dkp. we dont roll on stuff like someppl say here that could not hold up a guild. and our hunters are mature and know what there class is all about. they dont roll on this fine warrior weapon period.

stop *!@# around with this bull^&*! now.
there should be 20+ olds who should play this game. ffs!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got it aswell
when both the sword and crus procs, i gotta say.. OUCH!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Its hunter weapon look at agility and stam!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This wep makes you a god end of story.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 17:50:16 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm a hunter and i'd NEVER roll on this...Barbarous blade > this...give them to arms specced warriors...or even retry palas...(i'm ally so duno about shamys)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

22 Agi, 44 AP ranged, and a proc that really won't do sh*t for you.

It's idiot Hunters who think they need this that shouldn't be raiding at all.

I can understand Zin'Rohk, and even Asscandy in SOME cases (Like all your warriors have them...), but THIS? This is Ice Barbed Spear for you... l2p

Honestly... I hate Chance-On-Hit Hunters...

Order:

1. Warriors - Fury or MS (Though this really isn't impressive for MS, I'd rather use TUF or Zin'Rohk for MS myself)

2. Paladins - They use it more then Hunters for sure.

3. The Shard Machine - to help teach ^&*!@#$s that chance on hit is not for them, not now, not ever.

Edit: Prot wars would fit in there somewhere, they need toys too, perhaps 2 ish?

Edited, Nov 25th 2006 7:29pm by RondardHunter

Kommentar von Allakhazam

shut up

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Please note this is 'per swing' not for instant moves ie MS where AP / 14 * weapon speed, reaper would do more.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Why would I as a hunter take this? 2 reasons:

1. I hate warriors. They're overpowered. They never should have gotten improved hamstring. It's all a crock of $%^&.

2. When I duel Rogues, I melee them. I put an Immo trap down, put my pet on defensive, throw on Aspect of the Monkey, and go to town. I even put on Deterrence for the fun of it. If this thing procced in my hands. My raptor strikes would crit for like 1.5k

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Terraburn, STFU.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

hunters roll on this. /bye warrriors

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Any female paladins out there I'd love to see your Picture with this on !

I can probably get you a picture with a male pally wearing this.

http://img2.uploadimages.net/448855UTB1.jpg
http://img2.uploadimages.net/614639UTB2.jpg
http://img2.uploadimages.net/093681UTB3.jpg
http://img2.uploadimages.net/587746UTB4.jpg

Edited, Sun Oct 2 06:56:40 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I m in a Bwl raiding guild and Dkp will decide who gets this and yes hunters WILL BE ALLOWED to have this awsome blade.cmon look at the stats,how can you Deny ANY class that can use this from getting it.If you got the most DKP you get it plain and simple.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

How often does a hunter use a melee weapon in antything, especially raids. Barely ever. Go with the dawns edges(great for melee, plus crit, with the agil enchants)$%^&, i'll even buy them for you if you let me win that drop.

Let the real men/women wield real weapons.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

wow,, glad you guys aren't in my guild.

We are a huge group effort.. we farm together to get and give gear.. we make a concerted effort to make the RAID GROUP the bst it can be.. if that means I pass on an epic drop because I have something nice, and another warrior doesnt have as nice.. I defer, because two well equiped warriors is better for the RAID than 1 poorly equiped and 1 uber equiped.

With te Obsidian Edged blade, all DPS warriors got a crack at it first if they wanted it, then anyone else.. pally got it last drop, no biggy..

but for anyone to roll on the Untamed Blade simply because they WANT it and have a right to roll because they pay $9.99 a month? Thats selfish, and not in the best interest of the raid.

CAN you roll on it? SURE you can.. feel free.. don't expect another invite to MC, or BWL.. and expect your name to becme very well known.. Remeber, none of us can solo MC or BWL.. it takes a group, working together.. usually for a long time as a team to perfect it.. so greed gets you one thing.. not having to worry about it anymore.. everyone works together, everyone profits.. be a greedy bastard and selfish with loot, and everyone gets great gear together, while you get to farm Un'Goro since nobody will invite you anymore.

glad I dont have to deal with you, or your attitude in my guild.. you wouldn last long

Kommentar von Allakhazam

it looks bad for an undead warrior

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Listen its obvious my weapon pwns you all...

http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=193679

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i just wanna say all you guys are really funny:) insults and name callin over a sword hahaha gotta love WoW:)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this beauty today, 5th Razor kill, first in my guild to get it. This is a warrior weapon, best fury weapon in the game imo, the proc is godly!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Im guessing the proc rate on this baby is pretty good?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I am Hunter and, to my mind, it is obviously NOT a hunter weapon ^^ :)))

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm sorry for double post, i thought it would go to the end of the thread and not the beginning >_<

Edited, Thu Aug 18 21:07:15 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok hmms let me think.

warrior weapon or Hunter weapon?
hmms let me think this true wile i say something.

Im a Guildleader and we use dkp. we dont roll on stuff like someppl say here that could not hold up a guild. and our hunters are mature and know what there class is all about. they dont roll on this fine warrior weapon period.

stop $%^& around with this bull^&*! now.
there should be 20+ olds who should play this game. ffs!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Any female paladins out there I'd love to see your Picture with this on !

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Seriously though, any class that can equip 2H Swords could potentially get this item. The likelyhood of it is completely dependent upon the situation. In my experience with MMO players, the odds of having a non-guild highly organized raid accomplish something like this are about as good as winning the lottery three times in the same week with only two drawings a week.

Ultimately when this drops, whomever gets it is entirely situational. Some guilds will make ultimatums that a Warrior get it because it's a high dps, HUGE +STR proc weapon, etc. Other guilds may allow or even give it to Hunters or Paladins in the raid because THEY CAN.

The reason Hunters want this item is because they see a high agility and a sick dps. To me that means they want it for PvP. And just to make myself clear on this, I believe them to be PvE-server Hunters who want this to PvP when they feel like; knowing the edge this kind of melee weapon can give them. There's no sense for a raiding guild to give this to a Hunter, because how often do Hunters melee in raids? Not much sense in giving it to a Hunter who's just planning on using it when farming to save ammo either, but all that doesn't matter because when it drops it's going to be up to the raid who gets it, so maybe Hunters will. What's the logic of arguing this publicly with people you'll never go to BWL with?

...I guess my argument all comes down to this...

I'm going to do 40-Shaman raids on BWL until every single one of the 40 Shamans has this weapon.

Why you ask?

Because it makes about as much sense as this many posts on YET ANOTHER public flame-argument of what classes should get loot-rights to certain items. Remember, no matter what race the toon is, the player is Human. That makes 99.04% of MMOers by definition selfish !@#%s. They want the item because they want the best for themselves and will argue everyone into the ground over why they should get it...reason is let go to constant argument, knowing that continuing the argument until the other side quits is more likely going to be successful then a legitimate respectful debate on the subject.

:) That's all I've got to vent for now. For all of those going to flame me, enjoy. I don't care. Don't expect me to respond. (It's cause I'm just over-awed by j00 1337 skills and far too much a n00b to have any legitimate opinion...damm my inferiority...damm I say)

Edited, Tue Oct 4 19:37:36 2005

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I just got this beauty on our last Razor kill

I can only say 1 thing, it owns so damn much with a fury build!

Edited, Jul 6th 2006 at 7:37am EDT by Crakenfrostwhisper

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I'm a level 60 paladin and I got the guilds first UTB. The proc on it is awsome, and according to my proc watch procs once every 8.8 swings. Great weapon for PvP Paladins. Took 3 months for the thing to drop though.

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If someone is willing to pay for it so be it. whats all the crying about classes?

Me as a palading will ofcourse NEVER say wtb when a DPS class needs it for raid dps. But when its up for non raid dps, you can be hella sure i will wtb this baby for PvP and solo PvE!

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holy crap.... i'll leave it at that

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With the 22 agility that this sword gives that'd mean that you have +1.1% chance to get a crit too so +300 Strenth (from the proc) +Crusader from the Enchant obviously) +the crit chance, that'd make it one HELL of a big hit :D
me wants hehe

(going on one agility point on a warrior = 0.05 crit)

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Isn't the main reason that a hunter would not roll on this is because they would benefit more from dual wield +15 agi swords - like Dal'Rend, Krol Blade, Assassination Blade etc. Personally I don't think a hunter should roll on this, see my reason above - and yes I am a rogue.

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When I get enough dkp I will get this beauty. The raptor strike crits with it will be awesome!

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well, i have to say something :P

Dämmerungsschneide = Dawn's Edge.

Dawn's Edge
Binds when equipped
One-Hand Axe
53 - 100 Damage Speed 2.10
(36.4 damage per second)
Requires Level 50
Passive: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Now, due to it being "One-Hand" means you can wield 2.

wielding 2 = 2% to crit + 30 agility (from enchants).

Its alot better to have these imo ;)

Oh Look! http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/6383/dawsedges1xe.jpg

its craftable btw

Edited, Tue Nov 1 08:32:02 2005

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Soon my guild is going to kill Razorgor, and thank god we Master Loot all raids...

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That is the most badass looking sword ever.

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OMG i can get so sick of this some times hunters can´t roll for 1-hand wepons becuse the rogues "Needs it more" and now we cant roll for 2-hand wepons neither. So what if we are an ranged class warriors rogues are an melee class so then u shouldt roll for ranged wepons then? Think before u speak!
And yes i would roll for this becuse it got agi and sta 2 and the great dmg aswell but tho if an warrior needs it more then me i would have given it to him and get it an other time tho the drop rate on it is quite high to summon things up if i cant roll on melee wepons u cant roll on ranged.!

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Im a MC+ Orc Raid Warrior and id just like to say first of all. Why must everyone carry on about who deserves what, i come to this website and read these posts hoping for usful information or a screen shot, im sick of having to sift through all this garbage of who thinks what item is for what class.
Use your brains: To be in BWL means your in a good and organised guild, and MC drops help you in raid progrssion. So when on a raid do u see Hunters meleeing in MC or BWL or even onyxia for that matter. If u want a pvp weapon, pvp for it. I know the agility is good, so is this:
Eisstachelspeer you are, simple.. 21 agility from an AV quest ( as i said pvp).
DPS melee weapons go to warriors first simple because they can only dps on raids at close range. Maybe you hunters can all melee and have warriors stand back and range on raganos and see how far you all get.
Its a simple concept: Warriors and rogues melee becasue thats there best form of damage, Hunters range because its there best form of damage. So hold your tonuge, live with the concept and once melees have there weapons, then roll on them. No need to fill the forums with uless posts.
I hope this stops all further posts on this issue.
Thankyou For your time

Edited, Tue Aug 16 20:54:20 2005

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I am a hunter. And a warrior. and a druid. And I got a shaman too.

if you see this sword, you are in either a merit loot system, or a DKP system, 99% chance (always that one oddball high end raid guild that randoms everything).

if its merited, you cant ^&*!@, no matter who gets it, even the hunter. merit system, loot officer hands out hte loot, dont like it, leave.

if its DKP, hell ya I'm gonna at least consider spending some DKP in a bid on that. and if a hunter should happen to win with his DKP bid...guess what? you cant @#$%^. he earned it fair, and square.

once pick up raids start killing him reliably, then someone people will be able to "legitmately" start ^&*!@ing.

Edited, Thu Aug 18 04:38:41 2005

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to the idiots saying what hunters stats do

1 agility = 2 ranged attack power
1 melee attack power

agility increases our chance to crit with all weapons including melee

54 agility = 1% crit chance

survival specced hunters (melee) are not bad, you should all know that skill > all
you got skill with your class you can kill just nearly anything.

and this is not a hunter weapon.

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First off, there is no such thing as a melee hunter. If you say that you are, you are kidding yourself and no one else. Myself? I am a hunter.

Every warrior in my guild has a combination of epic 1hd, 2hd weapons. I pose a question to every single one of you who has posted on this subject. Can you please name me an epic 2hd weapon that is better for a hunter than this?

Exactly, you can't. I PvP frequently as well as PvE and there isnt another epic 2hd out there better than this one for a hunter. Yeah, hunters do not spend their time in melee. However, melee is NECESSARY to stay alive. With the new talents, i will have 40% to crit with raptor strike.

Warriors have a multitude of other epic 2hd weapons to choose from. LOTS.

No, I dont disagree that this weapon is just as much deserved by warriors than hunter. But since every single warrior has to have 4+ epic melee weapons, for god's sake, dont ever let a PVP/PVE hunter have something that is the best thing he c
an use. Take your heads out of your asses and realize that there are hunters in your raid guild that have 3x the attendance (and pvp in their spare time) than the worthless warriors that show up as they see fit.

This is the last time i ever scroll down to read the mindless garbage you guys post. God forbid that a hunter wants to have and use an epic 2hd weapon that blows away all the other possibilities. Also, forget the Spinal Reaper and the other 3 epic 2hd melee weapons from BWL geared specifically torwards warriors. We better make sure all 5 epic 2hd weapons are only for them! (since warriors are the only class that uses 2hd weapons). Good riddance! you people make me sick

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Anyone know the procc rate on this sword?

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OK THIS IS NOT A !@#$ING HUNTER WEAPON!

I hear all this *!@# about hunters getting stuck in melee combat and how a high DPS weapon would help... Well theres better ones out there!

Ever think that a WARRIOR might get stuck OUT OF RANGE?

Even so, they don't roll on your ranged weapons now do they...

gg nub hunters

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Gotta agree with Othendras, everyone posting in here saying they'd "roll" on it is probablly a n00b looking at high level items. There is no rolling on the items that fall in MC, Onyxia, and BWL, b/c you need to be in a guild with an organized point system to get items like these. Loot is ML or possibly FFA (cuz guilds trust their members, and if you ninja'd it no guild would ever take you). Pretty much if a hunter had more DKP than a warrior, sure, they could get one of these babies. But the main question is, would you really want to blow a lot of DKP on an weapon that does nothing for your ranged AP, i.e. your main source of damage? Exactly. Warrior weapon, maybe Pally (MAYBE). My first preference would be for this to go to a warrior, but just me.

EDIT: My mistake, there is agility on it so a hunter would be get some ranged AP out of it. But if I were a hunter I'd just dual wield some good 1 handers and put +15 agility on each, which would more than make up for the agility this sword gives.

Edited, Tue Sep 20 00:09:26 2005

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Warriors dont dps, totally a hunter weapon look at that agility.

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haha

my sword is better than that one.

check it out

http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=190326

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Hi have a question,
I have a 60 warrior and im going to have this pretty soon so how do you all think i should skill my warrior so i can tank with him from time to time an make really awsome dmg. with this?

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If you want to be a tank/DPS try 31/5/15 (defiance from protection)

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OMG THIS IS DPS DEALER WPN RLLY THIS WPN WTF PWNZ ALL WPNZ IN GAME OMG OWNAGE RLLY LOL OMG

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Rofl this is a Arms/Fury warrior wep. good for pallies (dps) too.

hunters can get +25 agi on it, but if they dual wield they get 2 + 15 agis

so thats +30agi beating +25agi

NO-HUNTER WEP

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Hmmmm... I know where I'm going when my fury/arms spec warrior hits 60. Look out :P

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ok you made me do it...

In as much as this weapon has some nice stats for hunters I guess some hunters could be forgiven for trying to get their hands on one. But! It's a 70 dps two handed weapon. What the hell does your average hunter need that for? Did you maybe leave your pet at home? Or did you just never teach him growl? And don't come at me with this melee hunter crap. Any melee hunter worth his salt dual wields, because a melee hunter is a rogue hybrid.

Yes it's a nice weapon for ANYONE who can use it, but until everyone else has it leave it to the primary melee classes who will actually do something with a 70dps slow ass sword.

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My hunter is dual wield simply for 2 X +15 agil enchants which alone makes this a lesser hunter weapon.

Dual bone slicing hatchets + agil enchants equal +56 agil total. Arguably a LOT easier to get than this sword. Its not hard to choose.

Added: This is one of the coolest looking blades out there tho :) My warrior will be wanting this bad when it get to the point he actually has a slim chance of getting it. Itll cost a crapload of points too.

Edited, Wed Aug 17 16:42:39 2005

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STFU GREEDY HUNTERS!

You miss the point of Melee weapons! Melee Weapons are supposed to be used in Melee combat!

So this is not a hunter sword at all!

It's either Shaman or Paladin.

I'm a Paladin on the Server Tichondrius and got it on our first Razorgore Kill.

At first the Warriors wanted this weapon too. Jesus. They cried me a river as i rolled on it and won.

Took ages to convince em to learn their class and get a one hand weapn + shield to wield !

Other classes then Paladin and Shamans rolling on this Weapon are just bloody greedy noobs who still need to learn how to play the game.

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I dont understand...

if ive understood everything correctly, hunters have their main source of DPS in ranged combat, so it would be logic for them to wield weapons which would boost ranged damage. As a 60 warrior ive learned that if i hit a hunter in melee, he will use every skill avaliable to get away from me so he can use his ranged weapons.

Im using the Unstoppable force and i can guarantee that if i met a Hunter who had this weapon in melee.. plain melee.. i would litteraly crush him.. so why would a hunter want this as it doesnt boost ranged damage and i allready explained earlier that a hunter in melee is a dead hunter.

Am i wrong?
educate me why a hunter would want this.. and not weapons which boost ranged dmg.

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there is very little words on this world that can describe how i want this weapon... even for the looks of it :D

any hunter that believes he will ever possess one (without being ignored by half of his server) is a comblete retard. if u had this and a warrior had it too, he would just one-hit you with it, laugh, spit on you and camp your corpse for the next 5 hrs for the fun of it.

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And I'm a paladin...
They are better weapons in BWL for a warrior so.. A paladin can get this as the guild will get better weapons later on. And there are a lot of the warriors in guild are prot. not many MS warriors in my as that is more PvP then PvE. And we all know that BWL is a hard PvE place so there are not ppl with PvP gear on. I and know that there ofc is some warriors that use 2-H. But all in the guild hope we clear BWL at a point so they set they eyes on other weapon's. And if there is a warrior that need a good 2-H I think most paladin's would pass and let him get it.. I know that I would have passed if a warrior in the raid have asked for it too, but I had no epic weapon at the time and they all had epic weapon so they give it to me...

Edited, Tue Oct 18 21:36:23 2005

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I don't see why a paladin would even want this, it does not work at all with reckoning which is the true pvp damage spec. You have to save 5 charges and then you drop them in 1 big bomb, which means you won't get the buff for the bomb, and after you drop it the buff won't do anything since paladin auto attacking is pretty sad and you need to charge another bomb which will take more than 8 seconds.

lv60 paladin
lv60 warrior(got spinal reaper, not jealous

gnomes look really bad with big swords, I saw one with ashkandi and just laughed. I was on my paladin though and healed him while he killed everyone so it was good

Edited, Tue Jan 3 02:34:24 2006

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WOOT just got it tonight on our 5th razorgore win i was really excited been wanting it since like lvl 40...

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last night my guild did BWL and when we killed TUB droped.....none of the officer warriors so a pallie got it (im a pallie got it and i almost got it and im a pallie to) so what are your thoughts?

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Would be huge on a tauren...

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a melee Hunter

whats that ? o.0

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Ok, enough with the !@#$%ing, whats the proc rate on this beast so i can /cry more every time the damn hunter trinket wastes its spot in the loot table.

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this is a warrior weap to bad a pally has on my server lol

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Got to laugh at all these warriors wearing Might and trying to DPS with weapons like this.

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droped on our first kill :) went to a war - our mt actually :)

and str = 2 ap for war. it really should have class: war under it tbh :p

and i play cloth so no bias :p

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best fury weapon out there, atm...

proc+crusader = +800AP...

myself, i could easily hit 2k AP, being fully buffed (totems, shout, and both procs)

just imagine the Bloodthirst hits...

yummy...

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triple post, = /

Edited, Wed Mar 15 08:09:07 2006

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This weapon is a proc.

Bonereaver's is better than this, yes, until you get an extra 600 AP and white crit for 1200, not to mention it stacks with Crusader. This basically means you're sitting on top of a constant 200+ AP bonus, PLUS 22 Agility.

"BONEREAVER'S EDG E IS BETTER l!oLOLO!"

Not really, no.

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As you see on the pictures above, it's warriors who is wielding it. Don't you wonder why?
But this wep is only good for hunters in PvP, but not that good anyway. And warriors aren't just supposed to be tanking as someone said, because then when they aren't in a raid, what do they do then? Tanking random instances like Scholo or Strat? I don't think so. And in raid you actually NEED dps warriors.
That's my opinion.

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I don't want to start @#$%, but this, just for the 300 strength proc, should be prioritized to warriors and paladins before hunters. There are 1h's that have this much agility.

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This sword is fun, but aside from the proc it really is quite mediocre. No base AP, relatively low dps. It doesnt compare to later BWL weapons or r14 weps.

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The guild that gives this to a hunter is a retarded guild, that's all I have to say

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People overall are:
stupid
retarded
selfish
conceded
indecent
reckless
lonely
self-absorbed
self-reliant
violent

No wonder Hunters don't get any nice 2H swords.....

And yes, I have witnessed it, a melee Hunter with a weapon like this that knows how to play his class could kick many-a-asses.

:P

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#1 dps it MAKES this a warrior weapon, i dont care how much agility it has, if your a hunter and you get this weapon expect a sevre beeting all over the forums and all over the server. If i blastershot drops i wouldn't roll on it because it has some strength (i think) and a +1 chance to crit. The first class this should go to is warrior, then if your alliance, paladin, then hunter. Hunter's don't melee, and dont come to me and say they do, because if you say they do you can come "melee" against me and have your ass serverly beeten several times over, even if your in all giantstalker or dragonstalker... whatever it is

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Roughly, what is the proc rate on this per swing? I hear reports that it's fairly high (perhaps ~30% like Thunderfury?).

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lol @ the idiot that has the idea that the reaper does more damage 'per swing'

AR - 153-256
UB - 192-289

go figure..
and before you say "AR has 62 AP" that's 4.4dps, not even 20 more damage per hit with 3.8 speed.

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warriors should have no right on this, go tank, this is a _hunter_ weapon.

Edited, Mon Sep 12 02:32:46 2005

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i got that weapon from razorgore and used procWatch to record the proc rate. It procs 1.3/min, exactly the same as crusader. my highest SoC crit was 1899 so far.

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i got this today and actualy im the mt :D i have the right to get something good, i mean i earned the dkp to get it

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= /

Edited, Wed Mar 15 08:08:41 2006

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I can say it procs half as much as crusader does, might abit less than half but bout that.

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you have no idea how hard melee hunters get owned, it's like a kitten on the freeway, not stfu hunters and stop pretending like you can duke it out with anything bigger than a retarded puppy

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"you have no idea how amazing this proc is for a melee hunter. no seriously, it's amazing due to the fact that i can take down Northeast wintersping ice giants in about 4 swings with this beauty when it procs. "

I don't comment much, but hahaha.
Sword drops:
Guild: "Woah I think one of our dps warriors could kickass with this think against some of the high-end bosses"
Guild: "yeah true!"
Odd hunter guy: "But guys it would also help me farm winterspring giants better"
Guild: "Oh good point!"
Guild: "Yeah he deserves it more"
Guild: "Yeah screw killin bosses I'll go watch you kill winterspring giants"
Odd hunter guy: "I love you guys"
Guild: "we <3 you too, just give us half the money you make from the giants"
Odd hunter guy: "haha yeah right, seeya"

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Guys, don't get so worked up. You notice all the Hunters who try to claim this weapon tend to say "I'd roll on it"? What kind of BWL raiding guild does rolls? Probably 1 or 2 out of all the guilds in the world. These guys will never see this weapon in their hands over a Warrior, even if they wanted it, because a well organised guild would never allow it - the kind of guild they'd need to be in to even DREAM of taking down Razorgore, not to mention most of the people who say they have it in here are more than likely talking #$%^. If a guild allowed a Hunter to go for this over a Warrior then the people in that guild should just delete their accounts lol.

Just sit back and laugh, don't get worked up over it.

Edited, Fri Sep 9 10:33:51 2005

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How can you say that is a waste on a pally, That is insane damage and if we proc SoC with it, good god cause SoC is weapon damage based if your not forgetting Nilloe...not to mention who knows how pallies will be after 1.9patch, we could be a lot better then u think.

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any one know the proc % cause OEB has the +42 STR and for a fury warrior thats nice but this has just a chance to incress your STR. so im just wondering

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Human female model with UTB:

http://patchtimer.org/images/utb.jpg

god this site sucks ass

Edited, Wed Apr 12 14:39:12 2006

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this is a gorgeous weapon. its for a dps warrior or hunter , or a dps pally

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Discuss.

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I am usually A die hard DW fury warrior. Heres my gear http://ctprofiles.net/1460402

Question is, for PVE raids, and some PVP. What is your opinion to use, The Untamed blade or 2 DeathBringers, I have one now and a QS (yeah I know) But the other DeathBringer will be in my reach soon. The Proc on it is great, but so would two crusaders going off as well. What do you think is more rewarding in damage and overall helpfullness in the raid.

So what do you guys think? DW Deathbringers or this bad boy?

Thanks for your time

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got it in my first razorgore kill

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obsidian is paper compared to this :L

drool drool drool drool and... DROOOL!

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oh yeah for the hunters saying this isn't a hunter weapon:

Please hit 60 and learn your class.

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60 Hunter here with few GS and Rhok in the making (just need sinew)...I personally wouldnt take this weapon over a warrior.

~Duel Dal'Rends~
2x agi enchants = 30 agi
30 agi = ~60AP
+50 attack power
Armor and Defense are bonus's

~Untamed Blade~
22agi + 15agi enchant = 37agi
37agi = ~74AP
no attack power

the extra 7agi adds ~0.12% to crit -_-

So unless your a survival specced hunter who loves to melee, then just let the warriors have it. Besides save your DKP for a Bow or a Gun =/

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spent all my dkp on this baby, got it on my hunter, the proc is imba in pvp. <3

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i love being horde none of this argueing with pallys over drops like this, this should ALWAYS go to a warrior right now with my arc reaper my highest execute crit has been roughly 5000 a little less i think now imagin what untamed blades execture crit would be im guessing somewhere around 7-8000 thats absolutely crazy and these crits wouldnt be rare ive managed to crack 35% crit with just my valor set and no aditional crit gear bottom line hunters u keep ur little staff and let the warriors have this

another thing imagin the damage if the proc on this and crusader went off at the same time +600 strength massive damage

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If we could just stop talk about who benift this wepaon the most for just 2 sec and instad talk about the weapon itself i´d be happy....

First question: Anyone know how high the proc rate is on the chance on hit it got? is it like crusader or lower? ..or perhaps even higher?

Second question: Do you guys think its best to spec 2h fury with this one or should arms be a better suggestion if a warrior have around 1000 attack power without battle shout?

Third question: Wich sword is the best you think Bonereavers Edge or Untamed blade? the dps is abit higher on bonereaver but the proc on the Untamed blade is really cool....

plz answer this question and stop talk about warrior/paladin or hunter item..its just so annoying..you see it everywhere and it really doesnt chance a $%^& no matter how long threads you do

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This drops off Razorgore the Untamed in BWL

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I still hear people saying AR is better... riiiight...

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yeah, i'm pretty sure this is a hunter blade, as preston w. told me so.

you have no idea how amazing this proc is for a melee hunter. no seriously, it's amazing due to the fact that i can take down Northeast wintersping ice giants in about 4 swings with this beauty when it procs.

oh, don't give me that bull&*!@ argument about melee hunters. if you've ever seen the fine video documentories of melee hunters by assara, you'd know how ^&*!ing effective a melee hunter is. seriously, challenge me anytime in a duel, i'll win. shadow priests, mages and stupid 7/9/35 druids drop like flies whilst i use my untamed blade. there is no better substitute.

all that try to contest this truth is a vile and wretched imbecile to the videogame known as world of warcraft.

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"seriously, challenge me anytime in a duel, i'll win. shadow priests, mages and stupid 7/9/35 druids drop like flies whilst i use my untamed blade."

uh no offense, but of course cloth and leather classes drop like flies, its a 70 dps, almost 300 max dmg sword

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How would you hunters like if warriors, paladins and rogues start rolling on guns and bows everytime one drops? I'm a lvl 60 hunter and yes I do melee but for crying out loud to all you dumbass hunters, please stick to what you do best, range attack and stop talking about this melee hunter bull@#$%, I also have a lvl 60 warrior and I OWN any hunter that attemps to melee me ( Arcanite Reaper 31% chance to crit = hunter dead in 6 swings or less FTW) ><

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(double post)

Edited, Thu Aug 18 04:44:51 2005

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I just got this one. Relly nice sword.

http://www.soulsofeternity.com/images/normy_untamed.jpg

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for all the warriors crying about this being their weapon... you are a GIMP! sword spec LMAO someone clearly doesnt know anything about PVP or their class.

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The proc isn't guaranteed to go off in every fight, perhaps 2 out of 3 and it hasn't happened twice in the same battle for me.

I could be wrong but i believe that this sword is the best thing that can happen to a warrior. We rely on burst damage to own in PvP which means:
1--be in melee range
2--get a good crit off MS, Bloodthirst, whatever -essentially get lucky

Sword-spec is the most luck-based spec of them all, i mean 5% chance for a second attack is something no man should rely on but that's what we get. The Untamed is the most luck-based weapon of them all so it fits nicely with the sword-spec.
To see Untamed Fury, Holy Strength and Enrage open at the same time isn't a rare thing, that amounts to +800 attack power and +25% damage. If you get a second attack and at least one crit on top of that then...no comment (hasn't happened to me yet)

This is it then, the most insane burst damage in the game and all of it luck-based in the extreme.

I still prefer axe-spec and Spinal Reaper tho :)

Hunters who want this for the +22 Agi? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHA

<whatever class> who want this because they pay money and they can equip it? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

funny guys :D

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dps warrior should have prio on this, if you are a guild that knows wtf they are doing. what good will it do in the hands of a pally or hunter in a pve guild?

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2h fury is almost useless. i still like dual wield better than 2h...i have no idea why peoples say dual wield is useless cuz im arms spec and i use dual wield (for now until i get a good 2h wep) and it rocks! fury is crap btw..the patch wrecked it, arms is the better spec now, protection is the best tho..fury is falling behind..stupid blizz!

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CLEARLY for a priest

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Congrats to the guildy who got it :) A very nice weapon, indeed.

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if a tauren wears that, it would be 2 or 3 times a human ... *lol*

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can you please tell me why hunters never ever get a shot at a good sword like this ? and if they by some odd chance do they get flamed called ninjas get banned and world hated by everyone ?

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Whoever said every weapon is a Hunter weapon you are right in a sense. You dont see many Hunters running around with staves, in this case this sword may not be the ideal hunter weap but it can certainly be useful, if i come accross it im rolling on it. Screw whatever warrior cries about it, hunter has every right to roll on this.

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OrlocWarrior, you claim to be 20+ but you talk and act like a 12 year old who just got to 60 and wants to play with the big kids.

While there are no Melee Hunters, there are Hunters who Melee. I am a Hunter who frequently uses Raptor Strike, Wing Clip (improved), and Counterattack to fight toe to toe with my opponents. In the event that I ever need to finish off my opponent, especially in Warsong Gulch, or while fighting a lootable monster, I almost always run up to them and finish them off so I am able to quickly loot and continue to the next player or mob.

Granted I would never spend my DKP on this if there were Warriors who wanted it, it would still be the best possible epic 2 handed weapon for a Hunter to use were he to be faced with a melee fighter that he can not keep away from.

Let's say I'm jumped by a rogue with this sword, now with my crit chance as high as it is, I'm faced with only one choice- Melee the Rogue until I manage to trigger a good Counterattack to give me time to run to range. If I don't manage to parry an attack, a weapon like this would make up for it, as I could easily get plenty of Raptor Strike or even normal hit crits out and the rogue would be as good as dead.

With a speed like this weapon's, I'd love to see a Hunter proudly weilding it one day. It probably won't be me, of course.

Besides, I think the sword is ass-ugly

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What is the most important stat for a Warrior?
STRENGTH.

Read the proc (which players say goes off fairly often). Warriors don't use bows or guns, as they are constantly swinging. Hunters are using their bows and guns more often than meleeing, so the proc is getting it's full use out of it since the Hunter isn't always meleeing.

Not to mention, once again, Strength is the most important stat for a warrior. Hunters who think they should have an equal chance at this weapon, tell me what weapon in the game can give more strength than this?

Hunters are better off dual wielding with +agility on both weapons anyways.

Look at the characters that actually have this weapon. They are all Warriors and some Paladins, that should tell you something.

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So fun to watch the n00bs fight it out.
if someone wants it then great, let them roll, you can always come back and try again, it is afterall, only a game.

(I think this would look t3h pwnage on my druid LOLROFLMAOBBQ!1!1shift+1!)

¬_¬

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Not a female paladin, but I was doing the Of love and family quest, so I got transformed into one:

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=323548
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=323549

and me normally :)

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=323550

Edited, Fri Oct 7 12:45:06 2005

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If this weapon had no agility the Hunters would still want this weapon. You Hunters are muppets go for what benefits you more then this. All the people i see with this weapon are Paladins and Warriors and that is all it will go to untill all the Warriors and Paladins have this weapon as a toy.

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Definately a hunter-weapon!

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Edited, Thu Mar 16 17:42:51 2006

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Untamed Blade <

? Well ? Opinion people !chop chop!
(consider the upcoming patch ofc!)

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Ok, lets clear somethings up. If u look at the stats on this weapon, the class it would benefit most are warriors, plain and simple. Paly's that want to dps and want it, thats fine, but u aint touchin it till every warr in the guild is wielding one first, thats how we roll. The Herald of Woe is the best Paly weapon other than the Sulfuron in the game, so if a warr wanted a Herald of Woe, well he'd have to wait until no other paly's wanted to look at it. Thats how it should be, palys cant do everything as well as warrs cuz id love to see a raid grp go in and fight Nef with no warrs and see how much they hold agg, and if u gonna post and say i seen it or did it, link the frikkin video. Now as far as calculations go TUB gives u 300 to STR. for warrs thats 600 AP! Add Crusader and you got another 200 AP. So it definetly would help the warriors out (no matter the spec). And this thing about a def spec getting it, so what if they do. Its not like they cant respec after it drops, i know ive done it b4 for certian weapons. Bottom line is you can all complain about how much u pay a month and what u deserve to roll on (rolling in the first place is upsurd to me for 40-mans, dkp all the way) but when you join a guild you agree to certain rules and regulations, and only an idiot would join a guild not knowing what those are. So, if you dont like the way the guild does business, go grab some tissue for those tears and find another one.

Id like to close with a saying:

"The Untamed Blade, others may wield it, but only warriors can master it..."

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We got 3 of these our first 6 kills of Razor.

Verathis, 60 Rogue of Ordo Victrix.
Shadow Council

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if a class can use it, they should have it! END OF STORY

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Of course, dps warriors will get most use from this weapon. I am a paladin and if my guild's dps warriors need it, I wouldn't mind pass it until every one of them has it (for the benefit of the guild and PvE raid).

However, the proc of this weapon is more of the paladin "Seal of Command" style. From my experience, the proc rate of this weapon is quite equivalent to the proc rate of Seal of Command. And since it has been confirmed that the Crusader enchant stacks with this weapon's proc, I think that if Untamed Fury/Seal of Command/Crusader happen all at the same time the damage will be very considerable.

For hunters with this weapon, I personally have no comment. I am not arguing that this weapon should not belong to a hunter, but if a warrior (regarless if he/she is MS/Fury) or a full retribution paladin wants to have it, they should have it. It will benefit them both in the long run.

Otherwise, any class that can wield this weapon can have it; it is only a PvP toy anyway.

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For those that care, it seems to proc quite often. :)

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=(
will the reaper be replaced?

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you have no idea how amazing this proc is for a melee hunter. no seriously, it's amazing due to the fact that i can take down Northeast wintersping ice giants in about 4 swings with this beauty when it procs.

oh, don't give me that bullsh*t argument about melee hunters. if you've ever seen the fine video documentories of melee hunters by assara, you'd know how @#%^ing effective a melee hunter is. seriously, challenge me anytime in a duel, i'll win. shadow priests, mages and stupid 7/9/35 druids drop like flies whilst i use my untamed blade. there is no better substitute.

Yeah, a Hunter is going to own everyone with a 5% melee crit rate, 30% armor reduction and Raptor Strike... get real.
If a Hunter stays in Melee range with any REAL melee class they get owned. Thats why they have Frost Trap, Scatter Shot, Wingclip, etc...

Seriously, every class gets a bonus to melee crit rate from agility EXCEPT Hunters.

Learn to play your class noob.

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I have to say this sword simply owns and I'd take it over a Spinal Reaper any day. Recieved it on our first kill, second on the server for both factions on the server of Warsong.

Warrior weapon, period.

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Ok, Im a hunter and yes, I try to stick to ranged attacks because thats what I do, but I do have melee weapons, wanna know why? bc I do have to use them and they have nice agi. Now, warriors and them should get first picks on stuff like this, but a hunter would love to get it with its nice agi and it being just a good weapon. We wont be screwed if something comes to us. Then again, since it is an end game weapon, we shouldnt need it except for the agi.

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Copy + Paste response from my post on the Warrior forums at worldofwarcraft.com:

This is my alt, and my main is a 60 Hunter, so I'll post my thoughts.

You've got to be !&$%ing kidding me. This is by far, NOT a hunter weapon. WOOHOO! 22 AGILITY AND 16 STAMINA! THAT'S JUST LIKE THE STATS ON... my... Ice Barbed Spear (Eisstachelspeer Hell, I'm even modelling the damn thing for you) ? I mean holy $!@%, You lose 1 agi and you gain 4 stamina, plus you get the strength for a bit of extra melee AP... Why in the hell would you even want this sword? You're better off getting the Spear and saving your DKP (If your guild uses DKP) for Giant/Dragonstalker or that new epic Crossbow from Chromaggus. Any hunter who even attempts to make a DKP bid (Or roll, whatever floats your boat) is a complete and utter idiot. I don't know about you, but I'd rather grab myself two Bone Slicing Hatchets with 2 +15 agi enchants than get this sword.

Christ, stupidity these days...

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Oke im gonna just own all the hunters here then...

I'm a Warrior!

I have The Crown of Destruction...

Just let the Hunters *!@#$ about it. No worries... we own um anyways

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fuuck u all u warriors... cmon and kill us hunters..

U WONT EVEN BE ABLE TO TOUCH US!

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quote:

Got to laugh at all these warriors wearing Might and trying to DPS with weapons like this.

Well... tbh thats utter crap.. i do more Dmg with might than i did with first pvp set and valor... so what would i use?

im only useing OEB tho. so but yeah Might is still good for DPS you know.. aslong as you have Crit rings/neck/belt etc/helm your ok :)

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I recently got this weapon, and i thought you might want to see how h0t i look!

i cant get the stupid link to work properly, so just remove the ] in the end!

Edited, Mon Jan 16 08:08:24 2006

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All these Warriors getting tetchy about which class this "belongs" to.

The simple FACT is, we have all paid for the game, we all continue to pay for the game, we all got more than one toon if we have a lvl 60 toon (most likely of different classes) and so as long as someone intends to use it, they have as much right to it as anyone and decent guilds know this. It might be a little upsetting to some to hear this, so sit down and get yur teddy ready for a cuddle, but many Ferrari owners dont even break the speed limit, but they still allowed to buy one ;) they dont just restrict it to racing drivers.

I feckin h8 all the crap about "it's a such n such weapon" go get a life, If it truly was class specific, Blizz would it add it to the description, but they havent.

Besides which we all know "it's a Hunter weapon" ok ok im jokin, but seriously, my main alt is a lvl 60 Hunter, and I have used 2h swords from the beginning, cause I like em (they do it for me)so some smart arse tellin me no it's not for u can sod off, I been playin mmorpg's since Diablo, some spotty geek who has number crunched his decision about whether I can have it or not can go train spot, cause if it comes up, I'll be expecting as fair a chance on it as anyone in the party including Warriors & Paladins, besides look at the drop rate 9.? % there is enough for everyone!

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This is quite simply warrior prio for raiding, if a dps warrior wants for his raid dps. he should get.

(Im a 60 Nelf hunter myself working on our 10th nax boss)

once dps warriors are done with it it becomes an open playing field for

paladins, hunters, prot warriors and any1 else who might want all on an equal playing field as all they want it for is grinding and PvP

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