Kommentare

Kommentar von 1698

Having one or two guys in your raid wielding this weapon really improves your overall raid damage. So worth the mats!

Kommentar von Marinus

Having mixed feelings about this weapon. It is a raid weapon solely (although useful on AV generals and such) which makes it quite expensive for the use you're going to get out of it. Has about a 2 PPM rate, meaning it will be up on target avg 17% of the time. Flurry specc'd warrior will probably see 20% of the time. Damage output is really low however. I've dropped from top 5 DPS meters (fury warrior) to right around 20 using this.

And don't even bother with this in 20 mans. Stuff dies too quick to be of any use. Might get one proc every few mobs.

Kommentar von 1144

I'm an Off-tank prot warrior for my guild. I have found in Naxx that there are some encounters where I'm usually for the most part dead weight. I got this crafted and now use it on Maexna, Thaddius, Hiegan, and probably Loatheb when we get there.

The weapon is incredible, it procs all the time. On the Thaddius fight it multiplicatively augments the damage buff so its 15% applied to the total damage already bumped 190%, which turns out to be about 2000dmg on just the Ignites ticking on him in addition to all the other incoming spell damage. The weapon is worth every copper you'd spend on the mats, and it allows an otherwise useless prot warrior to add more than just thunderclap and demo to a one tank fight!

Highly recommend for any guild pushing Naxx.

Kommentar von Falcore

For those struggling to get the last couple percent on Bosses such as Patchwerk and Loatheb these could do it for you. Though this all depends on your raid's build, how many caster classes you are taking.

Kommentar von 8558

A very good axe to help overall raid damage per second. The character wielding this crafted weapon will still produce moderate amount of dps while helping the rest of the raid when the axe procs.

When the axe procs, the target mob will display a debuff and thus will increase raid dps allowing casters to produce more spell damage.

Kommentar von 9296

Very good for Shamans, could possibly have its place in a raid to increase ranged DPS, although I wouldn't personally think about getting one unless I was using it for a raid because A)The mats are VERY expensive and B)It is not nearly as usefull when you are alone.

Kommentar von tankfist

I got one of these crafted for me, and as a palladin ive found it extremely usefull. I have found that with the new talents and a holy build although this is primarily used by me in BWL and MC this weapon proc makes me absolutely deadly i have had some massive burst dps come from this beauty.

This should only be crafted for people who are attending the majority of raids or who can get the mats from the guild. If you just wanta dps weapon you better off getting 'the unstopable force'

Kommentar von 18675

This axe has a Burning Crusade replacement https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31010
An excellent raiding tool even for 25-man, I imagine.

Kommentar von 110314

Does the proc on this still work on raid bosses in Burning Crusade?

Kommentar von nesh

does this have full affect on proc even at 70?

and why does it say

Apply Aura: Mod Dmg % Taken (All) <-----sholdnt that be(spell)

after all the thing says spell dmg not all dmg

Kommentar von 4113

This may have renewed life on Brutallus...

Whichever protection warrior is not currently tanking can equip this and whack away, increasing your caster dps on the fight where it's needed most. Swap as needed.

Haven't tried this out in a raid setting yet, but should in the coming week.

Kommentar von 92011

Patch 2.4.2: Nightfall now has a chance to fail for targets above level 60.
No idea how big the chance is but i think it will nerf the use of this weapon completely. Sad thing really ..

Kommentar von 40815

A test on the PTR has shown that this weapon has <0.1% proc rate at lvl 70.

Kommentar von 118155

Why do they have to heavily nerf all the awesome prebc stuff?...This way nobody will ever bother to do the old school raids even if some of them (as naxx) > bc raids .
Once again blizz ruins all the fun , crushing blows for the old-timers .

Kommentar von Thottbot

Am I the only one who can see the benefit to this in PVE raids as well as PVP? Dropping all the resists on a trash mob, even if only for 5s intervals, is going to magnify your caster damage just that much more...

Kommentar von Thottbot

Get exalted with Thorium Brotherhood then you can buy the recipe from that guy in BRD by the bar.

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is obviously a weapon a GUILD is supposed to use. The materials that go into making this weapon are very very very rarely for sale - this is stuff huge guilds pool together to make stuff that will benefit people in their huge guild - or rather, stuff that will make their huge guild stronger.

This is an axe for the raid's two-handed DPS Warrior to use to increase the damage done by the Guild's Warlocks and Mages. Naturally, a Shaman and a Paladin could also use it, if they want to risk being on the front lines.

Yeah - it takes up a debuff slot. Name a debuff you'd PREFER in that slot.

Seriously - name that Debuff. What? Deep Wounds? Shadow Word: Pain? What Debuffs are so precious, that in the existing 8 (and the upcoming 16) slots, there's no room for this?

Warlock -Resistance curses are just about the MAIN debuffs in these fights (they up the damage of EVERYONE) - and this should go in on top of it. Whoever is swinging this weapon makes everyone in the team stronger.

Kommentar von Thottbot

"It's not a class axe, it's a guild axe"
Space Dragon

I was getting so frustrated that no one was saying this, thank you! I don't think anyone could make this axe outside of a MC raiding guild; it'd be impossible. Since it's effect is highly valuable for MC, it seems the next question is: "What class would best be able to keep this debuff pasted on the enemy at all times?"

The answer is either A. be the baddest guild around and have multiple dps wars/pals (Isn't DPS Paly an oxy-moron? LMAO) rocking this weapon non stop or, more realistically for horde side, B. Give this weapon to a shaman; no other class has a higher chance to proc this weapon than a shaman.

I'm an enhancement shaman, and in MC I already spend a lot of time swinging at mobs for DPS. I've never had survivability issues, cuz I'm certainly more survivable than a rogue and they're frontline all the time! Boss fights I'm usually healing, but if I had this weapon I'm sure that'd change. The reasoning is that a shaman with Flurry and a good crit build not only does damage comparable to that of dps wars and rogues (not quite, yes, I know), but would also have ~50% higher chance to paste the proc effect on the enemy. This is something that only a shaman can do.

Problem still remains, though, you gotta find a shaman worth his salt! ;P

Kommentar von Thottbot

In Fact we tested this Axe today and it gives negative Resistences and an vulnerable bonus for Casters. Our Warlocks got about +600 spelldmg or so. I think its working as intented but we didnt checked it.
If you dont believe it, test it.
Its best use on Shamans with Stormstrike, Windfury and Hand of Justice to proc it a lot.

This Proc is about 5% or so, we didn�t used procwatch.
"Reduces enemy's spell resistances by 60 for 5 sec."
It can�t stack so far.

Our Guild plan to got now 2-3 Enhancement Shamans for Raids in 1.11.

This Weapon is not overpowered, but its a chance for melee Shamans in Raids to keep alive. And in Combo with Curse of Shadow or Curse of the Elements which can the enemy resistence to be 0, with this Proc can be a negative Resistence.
If you dont believe that negative Resistences are in Game so far, so go and visist Incendius in BRD and let this cursed stack an you. Your ass will kicked out.

(sorry for bad english, i hope a helped a lot)
- Aejin
Zakuria (EU-Das Syndikat)

Kommentar von Thottbot

I've asked for months for a "fix" for that weapon (posting on the Suggestion Forums) and..... just tested the axe on the test server right now.

It was changed (fixed).

3 changes:
1st: speed now is 3.5
2nd: The proc now is: Spell damage taken by the mob increased by 15% for 5 seconds.
3rd: Mats: Now it requires only 8 fiery and 5 lava cores.

Thank you Blizzard!

TheGreen (60 shammy) - Bonechewer Server.

Kommentar von Thottbot

The axesmith weapon Nightfall effect has been changed from -60 resistance to +15% spell damage taken. Also its speed has been decreased somewhat.

sigh

Kommentar von Thottbot

Since I got this nice axe I did some research on how beneficial this thing is.

Since blizzard made meny weapon procs on per/minute basis I decided to test if increasing attack speed is in anyway beneficial to get more procs.

Here are the results with regular attacks, at the weapon speed that is 3.5

http://magewave.com/community/index.php?act=Attach&type;=post&id;=8

On the other hand I used Seal of Crusader this seal gives 40% attack speed increase. Here we go

http://magewave.com/community/index.php?act=Attach&type;=post&id;=7

The difference is obvious, SoC is gives about 40% more procs.

Now raid benefit. Based on the stats above while using SoC during 28.5mins I got 611 hits and 113 procs.
611/113=18.4% proc rate
Proc duration is 5sec, so 113*5=565sec Time debuff is on.
If fight is 28.4 mins and proc is on for 9.4 mins iit's 30%.
All casters get 15% DPS boost for 30% of the time.

If we take a cast of 2.5sec then 565/2.5=226 casts can land in 28.4mins with this buff on. If frost bolt deals 800dmg then 226*15%of800=27120 more DPS in 28.4 mins from one mage.
But we all know that it looks nice here but in reality we will not be able to cast 100% of the time when the proc is on, not even 70% but we might hit around 50% or 40% of the procs, still 10,000 more DPS from single caster in 30mins is great.

I think this weapon is more beneficial for paladins because of SoC and statistic I got, but I might be wrong.

Kommentar von Thottbot

what would happen if you had a hunter using this while constantly spamming wingclip, which is a instant cast with no cooldown

Kommentar von Thottbot

Yes.. it procs through WF.. as well as Crusader, Lifesteal and some others. I made a billion tests with this weapon... and as you can see above.. I was the first guy who notified everyone about the fix they made in 1.11.

Wanna make an easy test? Use the ProcWatch mod, no windfury, and take a look on how many times it procs in like 5 minutes, then do the same thing using Windfury. That's it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ok shaman pvp axe when proc use shock

Kommentar von Thottbot

I don't know where your getting your calculations for the additional damage that this bad boy does, but your grossly under-estimating the effectiveness of this weapon.

I think your part of one of those elite guilds that religiously uses this axe to progress in the end game and you don't want anyone else to catch on to it's importance!

The little dps lost by the dps warrior weilding this is hugely out weighed by the additional caster dps output.

Nuff said on this weapon, all end game raid guilds should be using one.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Who does this work on?
Does the effect stack (prolly not)?

Kommentar von Thottbot

GLOCK - Mob Resistance, Vulnerability, and Nightfall Axe Statistics Mods

This UI mod tracks the following:

% of the time time you're IN MELEE RANGE and the DEBUFF IS ACTIVE (not number of procs, it scans debuffs every 0.5 sec and keeps a total time tracked)

It tracks damage dealt to your target (ALL SOURCES) and separates them out based on school and gives you a running total of damage dealt by the raid attributed to your nightfall proc.

It also tracks the % of time that flurry is active in a fight. It's designed to give you an idea about how effective you are being in a raid while wielding nightfall.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I want to make it clear that Seal of Crusader DOES cause more procs for this weapon. If you want to question this then take a paladin take a pen and paper or a mod and test it. I presented this weapon with real numbers and hours of testing at over six months a go right after this weapon was changed to give 15% spell dmg increase and speed was reduced to 3.5 from 3.8

My post is here https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/ccb=1&v;=767354 on this very page. Images of my research are not available since i moved to another hosting company.

Basic idea is that normal attack speed caused 12%-15% of hits to proc during 30min time frame while SoC caused 17%-22% with average of 18.4% proc rate.

According to my statistics SoC increases number of procs by 40%. i am not here to argue I am here to show facts. I am using this weapon as my primary one for over six months being a paladin and i know where it can go. you can do similar tests on other weapon procs and they also tend to be affected by SoC.

Procs are not simply based on numbers per minute they are based on the weapon speed. if the weapon speed is x then it procs number y times per z swings with deviation, based on this speed. SoC does not increase weapon speed it increases attack speed so if x stays the same but z goes up the y will increase as well causing more procs.

Everything is based on facts.

Judgments do not cause weapon procs since they do not involve the weapon itself.

Nightfall is a great paladin weapon for one great reason it benefits the paladin. think about it what will warrior do with 15% spell dmg outside of raiding? Nothing. This weapon allows for burst DPS in pvp, and it is useful for grinding. I see this weapon beneficial for shaman or paladin but i am not sure how warrior would be a great choice from this point of view.

This weapon is great i love it and I am happy that I got it I owe it all to "Vox Noctis" .

It scales with level and has good future in TBC.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Is this weapon still good for an MS warrior in level 70 instance raids? Or does the proc scale down for level 70?

Kommentar von Thottbot

you have to remember. this axe is crafted for raiding. look at the chance on hit, that increases caster dps 15% across the board, thats a LOT of extra dps being put out, helps a lot esp in something like gruul's where its a tank and spank dps check

Kommentar von Thottbot

Have this weapon for your offtanks in the Brutallus fight and have them switch it in and out for their normal main hand.

Really adds a great boost to raid DPS over what they would normally be contributing

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The main change in 1.9 is that this weapon does not directly give you extra spelldamage anymore. If you can convince some warrior/paladin to use it on a high resist boss however, your mages/locks will have a much more fun time. Say if an off-tank used it inbetween actually taking damage.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'ld really know the proc rate on this axe..

Anyone knows it plz ?

Thx 4 your Futur answer :p

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Jealous, EU Bloodfeather Horde side can make this.
How much should i charge for crafting this? Mats are about 1000-1300g, and the median price here is 2000g, 700g for crafting fee, isnt it too much?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Seriously has no one even thought past MC about this? OMG death to AQ and BWL exspecially with the alternating resist mobs.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can anyone on server Rexxar craft this item, either horde side or alliance side is good.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Looking for this from any alliance crafter on Stormrage. PM/Mail Verlia or leave a msg here and I'll find you.

thanks

Kommentar von Allakhazam

hmm.. imba for patchwerk?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It's getting changed next patch, +15% spelldamage-taken for 5s.

O.o

This is gonna be soooooo ub0r for raids or shamans or paladins after 1.11...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

what is % of this chance on hit?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

it's another AR model!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

im currently saving DKP for this baby... :D

getting Arcanite/Dark Iron/Emerals myself...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ya great for bosses and such would help mages get there job done a whole lot quicker but this has shaman written all over it :P btw i dont mean mages using this :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It looks like a red arcanite reaper... I'm not too crazy about it's looks but it's a nice axe anyways. I'd honestly rather have the plans than the axe itself.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I so want this for my shaman. Can you say "proc, frost shock, ns, chain lightning"? :)

I think finding someone with the plan will be harder than finding the mats though. It's the only plan an axesmith gets for getting Exalted with the brotherhood, and I suspect not many farm to exalted with TB in the first place..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

can help with craft on Drakthul - whisper or mail Chupakabra

Kommentar von Allakhazam

HEY M8S
I CAN CRAFT THIS NOW.
PM ME OR ANY OFFICER OF REALITYSUCKS!

IS A GREAT WEAPON!

PROC ALOT!

HUGS

Edited, Aug 19th 2006 at 7:58pm EDT by veiga

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I can make this axe on Earthen Ring Server US Horde. Happy to make for Alliance to. Just send a mail to Drawguldz.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Do I have to really say why? Have proc on this, and cast any following shock spell (or better yet, NS Chain lightning, earth shock combo).

This axe really brings out superb possibilities for shamans.

Edited, Thu Jul 14 01:47:36 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

even though the unstoppable force from AV hits harder, i was wondering which would be better for an MS specced warrior. this weapon has like 5 more DPS but the TUF has crit rate and stam, along with a chance to stun. just curious which one u think would be better for a warrior.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This weap would def make your casters happy in raids or even parties. Slap a couple wars or pallys with some of these bad boys and things would drop just that much faster. Not only that though but it's got some fairly good dps as well being 67.0 . Especially now that the mats got nerfed, guilds should make good use of those cores collectin dust in the mule hehe.

BTW I can make these on Garona Alliance as of June 29th for those interested.

Merilious
PShift

Kommentar von Allakhazam

does anyone know how the 1.9 patch changes to resist, where targets can't be put in negatives, effects this weapon?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is truly a nice Paladin PvE weapon.
Imagine the judgement Paladin have this, would pwn for caster DPS

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Blizzard are so lazy with their graphics
"hmm we've got to think of a design for this nice axe. I know! lets just change the colours on arcanite reaper!"
i swear there's at least 3 different axes with the same design....

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I have this axe at kazzak server and i think that proc is like 20-25%
Nice axe but really expensive like 1000-1300g to bye materials+ craft price...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Cec on Grim Batol(eu) can craft this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The Dragonhearts can craft this on Kil'jaeden EU, please /w Xistra or Hexenminne.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does anyone know if shaman weapon enhancements like flametongue and frostbrand or enchants like fiery weapon get the extra spelldamage too?

Edited, Sep 16th 2006 at 7:18am EDT by VULVAEOOO

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Nightfall on a Tauren Shaman

Kommentar von Allakhazam

any one know if this proc's on bosses?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I hope they have an equivalent for this in TBC, would like it on my enhance shamn for more support :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've been making these for some time now for High End guilds on my server. They are most useful in 40man raids for offtanks on static bosses where additional tanks are not needed unless MT dies. Since prot warriors dont do much damage its nice have them increasing caster dmg by 15%. Having 3 axes in one raid makes it so that the debuff is on ~85% of the time.

Procrate is about 20% (1 in 5)
Weaponspeed 3.5
5x 3.5 = 17.5s
One 5s proc per 17.5s
3x Axes 15s of 17.5s debuff on Boss

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The only Problem is that no one has resitances.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Waste of mats in my opinion, 26 cores is a lot of fire resist gear. Especially when an arcanite reaper still hits harder.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

LOOKING for someone who can craft on shadow council, leave ur character name and ill send u a mail, because im interested in one of these baby's

Kommentar von Allakhazam

what a waste of materials.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://www.tearmeaway.com/misc/Nightfall%20Procced%20-%20Techno%20Remix.mp3

Some wonderful work compiled by Taluden after the first downing of Vael for our guild. DL lives forever on Daggerspine.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this is mage axe! gief

Kommentar von Allakhazam

How you figure a shaman shouldnt use this, yes it is a rare sight for some guilds to have a shaman dps but some guilds do have 1 or 2 melee dps shamans, anyhow i can see where this is better for a guild to craft this for a warrior for sure but on the plus side for a melee shaman this will be used while they raid and pvp, i wouldnt ask for an item like this unless i was aloud to melee in my guild but man i wish I could have one, 35% extra dmg on an earthshock sounds lovely, and for anyone hitting me thats also a Lightning Shield Orb to the face with 35% dmg which sounds sweet. I really think this is a nice weapon would like to see one in my guild someday, maybe it will be me ^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

can anyone put up a proc rate ? the axe wont be anything worth if it only procs as the Icy chill enchant but if it procs like fiery weapon it great

3.2 attack spped
5.0 buff duration

it would be great if the proc rate is 20-40%

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is totally a shammy axe, since it procs so much it would be perfect for them. Procs and crack out a shock spell, it would pwn.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I was asking alot of questions about how much it can help a raid, how often does it proc etc... With the aid of Glock:Nightfall addon I did a test tonight and here are the results:

Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 6:27am PST by Drawguldz

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Okay, I've seen a couple posts saying that Arcanite Reaper is better. Can somebody explain how?

Nightfall: 67.0 DPS
Arc Reaper: 58.2 DPS (including the +62 Attack Power bonus)

Nightfall is better by 8.8 DPS. That's equivalent to 123 Attack Power, or nearly 62 points of Strength.

And yes, the Reaper has a STA boost, but Nightfall has the spell dmg proc (great for Shamans... to COMBINE with Stormstrike, muwahahaha! Anyone want a +35% dmg Earth Shock?)

I'm leveling an Enhancement Shaman right now, and I've been looking for the most powerful weapon possible without doing 20- or 40-man raids (I'm in a small all-friends guild). Apart from the Fist of Cenarius, I would say this is it, unless anyone has a better idea.

Now I just need to find a Master Axesmith and a few thousand gold, sigh... or I could go for the fist and spend the rest of my young life grinding in Silithus.

But seriously, why would ANYONE say Arc Reaper is better? I don't get it... maybe some power player can explain it to me? Is a 0.3 second slower speed really worth giving up that much DPS?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

See Synia to craft this axe Stonemaul AC (US).

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone on Cenarion Circle that can make this axe, and if so how much would you charge?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

well if someone does please reply

i hear it is quite a lot which would be a great proc for a raid

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Does this stack with other people that have Nightfall? I just got one made for alt warrior of mine. It would rule if it did!

Edited, Oct 15th 2006 at 4:41am PDT by matthewraes

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can anyone craft this weapon on Thunderhorn (US)? I am prepared to tip well for your services. Please reply with your in-game contact information. Cheers!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this axe is pretty good for encounters like patchwerk, where you need every single caster dps.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Okay do you see it saying "Class: Shaman" The answer is no. Yes a shaman could use it, but it is actualy more useful for a warrior, and check this out. It procs alot, but the effect only lasts for 5 seconds, so when a shaman see's the proc they will probably be able to get one spell off. Where as if a warrior had it, it will proc multiple times through the fight, and there is a VERY good chance that multiple spells will hit the mob when it does. Now, do you want one shaman to get one spell off from it, or have 6-10 spells go while the proc it up, thus putting out tons of damage in 5 seconds.

And if there is a post after this one still saying it's for shamans, then be quiet, the adults are talking :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This axe, and fiery weapon enchant :o

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If this got 20%+ procrate, it looks like about the best 2Her I have seen so far. Sure it's crap if you fight by yourself, but in teams, this one would own if it's not toooo unreliable...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

do u have to be honored or revered to buy the plans for this axe?

Kommentar von Jorvalt

The only way you can justify being a ret paladin.

Kommentar von Donclay

As a shaman planning on healing in raids, do you think it would be a fool's errand to go for a healing spec that uses two-handed maces/axes so I can use this or Hammer aus Lavagestein? Basically a healer who still can melee a little?

Talents here

Kommentar von Drosera

501 white swings, 52 procs tested.

Roughly 10% proc rate.

Kommentar von FilthyFrog

I did some tests on 53 lvl dummy in Blasted Lands: 1070 hits, 1046 lands (34 misses), 126 buffs. 126/1046 around 12% chance on hit.

Kommentar von KatzenShaft

Limited testing with a ret paladin:Auto attack - ~15% debuff uptime, With Seal of Righteousness - ~15% debuff uptime, Seal of Command - ~15% debuff uptime, Seal of the Crusader: ~8% uptime.

Seems like increased weapon speed will reduce proc chance. Doesn't seem like SoR, or Soc will increase proc rate, judgement of command may proc nightfall.

Kommentar von Fourchaise

Wanted to determine as a paladin what seal made any difference so i programmed a simple weakaura to count both successful hits on target as well as nightfall procs. Thoroughly tested this weakaura to make sure it counted when procs overlapped each other and not count dodge/parry/misses.

Tested on classic version 1.13.4

Went to winterspring in a zone with chillwinds and bears lvls 55~57 to be able to chain them with minimal fight downtime (to reduce possible interference of per-minute proc limitations).
Myself a lvl60 paladin. Nightfall with a counterweight, I had base atck speed of 3.4

Results are as follows with only Bok as personal buff:

SoR
200 hits -> 47 procs

SotC
280 hits -> 21 procs
(amount of hits in the same span of fight time with the added atck speed)

SoC
200 hits -> 25 procs

To me it seems obvious that the SoR damage can proc the weapon on-hit property

Additionnally it seems SoC damage can also proc it....

Kommentar von Kantyk

Alright, I'm gonna break it down,because it's just sad to see all those shaman with this stupid weapon on them :

NO, this is NOT a BiS weapon for enhancement sham, not for him, not for your raid, if you want the debuff on the boss, shaman is the worst choice you can make and here's the explanation.

You're either a raid with minmaxing need/desire (and you want this debuff), or one that doesn't care, because classic isn't much of a challenge nowadays.
If you're in the second position, then you don't need that debuff to the point where you're gonna bully your enhancement sham to carry this garbage when he could look all mighty and glorious with Sulfuras (and if you gave that thing to a warrior instead of a shaman, you need to delete this game from your computer, trust me, it's for the greater good).

Now if you're in the first position, you might be in competition with other guild, and you're aiming for maximum efficiency. Well you're probably not running an enhancement sham anyways, or you do for the meme and to flex on other guild, or you think you need this buff, so you might as well ask one of your sham to go for it.
Here is the thing : shaman only do auto-attack. Yes, no GCD is being used for extra attack, and no, the 31 talent on enhancement tree is a no go. It take a precious slot on the debuff list of the boss (remember you're going for max efficiency), and it has a 20 sec cooldown.

Now let's imagine a perfect situation, the shaman manage to keep his flurry (30% attack speed) up all the time.
the 3.5 AS become 2.45, this make a total of 25 attack in 1 min.
WF has 20% chance to proc (so basically 1/5). Pretty convenient, 1/5 of 25 is 5.
5 WF in 1min of battle, that makes 10 extra attack (since shaman get 2 extra attack from WF instead of one from the totem)
So a total of 35 hit in 1 min (remember, perfect situation, no dodge and stuff).
Now if you read all the other comment on people who have tested the thing, you'll see that the NF proc has a good 10% chance to proc.
That makes 3.5 proc in 1 min, for a total of 17.5 sec uptime. It's not even a third, pretty bad

Now let's imagine you give that to a warrior
Warrior also have flurry, so also 25 hit in 1 min. 20% WF, so also 5 proc, but it's only 1 extra attack so it goes for 30. That's only 3 proc, not that great. But here's the thing, warrior can use a gcd, one that doesn't use a debuff slot on the boss : hamstring.
You know what's great with hamstring ? It also proc WF !
GCD is 1.5, that makes an extra 40 hit in 1 min, and 8 WF proc, for a total of 78 hit in 1 min.
With a 10% proc on NF, that make a total of 7.8 proc per minute, 39 sec of uptime on the boss, almost 2/3. It's just crazy good !

Bu...bu...bu...but ! Warrior are the best dps ! This is such a waste !
Well sorry but you were the one ready to sacrifice the dps of one player for the benefit of all the caster, also, you might have a hard time finding enough weapon to equip all your warrior, so this is a good solution to boost your raid dps.
But you know what ? I understand you, I'm with you in this, dere warrior (keep those sunder and shouting up thx). So here's the perfect solution:

You want a class that can put the debuff efficiently, without taking another debuff slot, one whose dps isn't great and you can sacrifice, here it is:
HUNTER !
Yes, hunter, the more you'll advance in the content, the worst they'll be, (and they never get better than a good enhancement sham) so you might has well use them for what they are best : putting the NF debuff. They generally are in the melee group for their AP aura, so they will benefit from the WF too, and they will spam rank 1 wing clip, it works exactly like hamstring, but unlike warrior they won't get out of rage, so they can spam it (its only 40 mana) till the boss is dead.
Give that to an orc (Axe Specialization), the guy probably picked that race for pvp, so he doesn't care for its damage in raid (if he did, he would have picked a troll) ; if he do, well he can always go for a beast master build, fighting along side his furry friend and using at best his orc racial (pet damage bonus).
Hunters always want to get those nice melee weapon, give them this one, you'll please everyone (except them but eh, who care ?)

For the math : hunter don't have a melee AS bonus, so the auto attack will be worse than the warrior (who remains the best choice for NF debuff) with a 17 attack per minute, that's 3 extra attack from WF, so a total of 20 hit, but it goes up to 68 with the wingclip spam, for a nice 6.8 proc per min, wich make a 34 sec uptime. That's a half time, not bad (and still better than sham).

So thats it, if you're willing to nerf the dps of one guy, you now have the tools to make the right choice, yeah you can put that on the meme sham, you're sure that he will never threaten the other melee class (like " dude, you're behind the meme sham, what's your excuse ?"), and the caster will not see much of a difference. Or you can give that to a real debuff bringer, or someone that doesn't do better than enhancement sham anyway, and will do a better job at boosting the raid.

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