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Kommentar von mynutz

this weapon with sword spezia + hoj + r14 gloves is BiS till tbc dungeon heroic grind is over

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Kommentar von 3118

This is a rare treat from Rags. It is independent of other loot, so it didn't take the place of your Essence of the Pure Flame, I promise.

Armor reduction really matters on long fights and low armor targets. 3 stacks of 700 is 2100. the difference between 2100 armor (caster-type armor with armor buff) and 0 armor is ~25% absorbtion.

Kommentar von 7736

Great 2h for PVP!!!!

Kommentar von raysofvb

One of the best weapons in the game. If you get this one you really won't need to upgrade for a long time - Trust me :)

Kommentar von 108191

if u look cloose u well see its like the whirlwind sword
but whith some breaking touches on it :))

Kommentar von Thottbot

Now the mace you can craft from the ingots and Ragnaros' hammer would be my first wish. But this thing is my second dream come true. Already a few in the guild and I'm next up for it, and as a pally I just can't wait to start smakin those horde upside the head with the massive seal of command procs this will give.

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if you want crit, get 2x dawns edge, this is definately warrior/pally weapon.

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UGH UGH UGH.

Noobs, listen up.

This drops from Ragnaros, the final boss inside Molten Core.

A majority of you will never see the inside of Molten Core, however, if you somehow get into a guild that constantly runs MC and manages to kill Ragnaros, then maybe, just maybe, you'll see this sword drop.

And i'd bet you money.. the Warriors / Paladins in your guild would hate you forever if you recieved this weapon. The only melee move you should do is Wing Clip to slow the target down and get back for ranged DPS. And you CERTINELY don't need this sword for that.

Like the others said.. get something else.. leave the high end melee weapons to the classes who use it on a constant basis.

If Strikers Mark dropped in MC, and a Warrior recieved it.. how would it make you hunters feel? If this was a serious upgrade for you, and you would benefit from it more than any other class?

Exactly. This is how a Warrior would feel if you rolled on this sword.

In closing, if you feel like making enemies within your guild, then roll for it, Hunters. I know for a fact i'd go ape$%^& on a Hunter if they got this over me, the Warrior. I'd never let it down that you screwed me over for something that i'd benefit from MUCH more than you would.

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YEAH BECAUSE THE THOTTBOT SARCASM IS HILARIOUSERZ

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This is all that needs to be done:
1. watch the animated artwork
http://artpad.art.com/?iiu2f415m20k
2. rejoice that the proof has been unveiled
3. dont let hunters ninja anymore

Kommentar von Thottbot

So very powerful, yet so very ugly. Crits like crazy, I'm quite delighted having spent so much DKP on it.

http://moveables.com/linkhotten/edge.jpg

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If i was a guild leader i wouldn't let a hunter ROLL on this weapon because you

"DON'T ROLL DROPS IN MOLTEN CORE"

Put this line in ur friggin dumb heads!

ABOUT WARRIOR SPECS:
A warrior with AXE spec loses to a warrior with SWORD spec for the following reasons
axe:+5% crit
sword: +6% for an extra attack (not 5% 6% check it)

That means that when a warrior casts hamstring/ms/rend bla bla bla or hits he has a 6% chance for an extra attack (8% with a trinket from brd)

Now which spec do you prefer? Still axes heh? Don't think so

And with this comment i would like to say that this is primarily a WARRIOR WEAPON and rest can go to Paladins like SULFURAS (mace spec sucks for warriors a good guild leader wouldn't give it to this class imo). Yes its epic yes it has got high dps but its a MACE and it's spec is gimped.

Yes it procs quite often...i have seen it proc on me (unfortunatelly) lots of times:P

This is a Warrior(mainly)/Paladin weapon and those hunters that drool over it get a life and check out some other cool 1-handers that might enhance your RANGED attack because your are based on it

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For 1.10 this Item will ignore 700 Armor for the next 10 seconds and can stack up to 3 times.
Every stack will reset the 10 sec counter.

sry 4 bad english

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Got this sword for my warrior on server Emerald Dream. Due to the recent patch, this 2-hand sword is one of the best swords in the game. When this sword drop I wasn't even aware of the buffs; we were all like zomg...

Bonereaver's Edge tends to be compared the most to The Untamed Blade. While UTB looks way more sexy and intimidating, there are 2 main reasons why BRE is a better performer. One, simply BRE has more AP. Two, the proc is way more of an occurance than UTB. While some say UTB has an advantage of stacking its proc with Crusader, BRE procs much more often and can stack 3 times. Basically... the longer you survive and are killing the more you will kill because you will reach a stack of 3 procs easily and it will keep resetting the timer if it procs again so it doesn't wear out. So take a buddy that can heal you in Battlegrounds and have fun 2 shotting, especially with sword spec and HoJ.

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My warr friend got this baby last night and he spent lots of dkp on it tho, but still he s damn happy.... it looks like warr lvl30 quest weapon if u choose the sword, but of diff color. the dps and the weap dmg r unbeliveable.

Gratz bro

Kommentar von Thottbot

Is it just me or is that sword ugly as hell?

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Hi there.

I just got this sword and i am a pally of the DPS variety. Now before you go and have an crazy heart attack that a pally is weilding this weapon... STOP. I don't care. What i have to say is more important.

Normally everyone puts on the +25 agility enchant or +damage or crusader on weapons like these. This one is different.

The proc lasts for 10 secs and grants you harder hits. If you note the speed of the weapon, it is 3.4secs and in 3 swings takes 10.2 secs. This means you just miss out on the third swing of the proc.

Now with the iron counterweight you reduce the attack speed by 3%. The creates a situation where it takes 9.9 secs for 3 swings. This allows you to get that all important third swing in while the proc is up.

But is this better than +25 agility - 1.25% crit chance.

I beileve it is. This third swing gives you more chance that the proc is extended by an extra 10 secs and the effetiveness is doubled. Also, you gain the extra damage that the weapon does at this new speed. The faster weapon speed may not make the sword proc more often (not sure what the blizzard science is on procs) but it is the extending of the proc and the extra swing while the proc is up and running that is important.

I was not sure when i first got this sword but after some testing, it rocks. It often happens that it is the last blow that extends the proc, doubling the effectiveness for the next 3 swings. Also, as long as you are fighting someone hard enough to last more than a few hits you score the extra damage of the last hit under the proc which at -2100 armour is damage not to be missed.

All in all, i heartily recommend the iron counterweight as an enchantment on the bonereaver's edge. Pally or no Pally, this rocks

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I just picked this sexy sword up on our 2nd Rag attempt. <3 it. BTW the proc is a buff on you, not a debuff on the enemy.

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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1148/buffwarriorsza5.jpg

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go to this link and all ur disputes about classes and their strengths and weaknesses will be resolved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TyqYsC26g

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http://i.www.wowhead.com/tbc/search?q=n/Interface/Icons/INV_Jewelry_Talisman_01.jpg
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Kommentar von Allakhazam

drops from ragnaros
http://www.flamevault.com/~jager/tehkillshot.jpg

Kommentar von Allakhazam

That is sick

Kommentar von Allakhazam

What an awesome hunter weapon!
Sorry... it had to be said. Apparently maces are the only things that are safe.

I lost the roll to a hunter for "The Rockpounder" mace in Uldaman. They roll on almost everything. They dual wield for 50 levels then decide they NEED that 2H Weapon over a warrior. >_>

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So if even this item is epic wtf kind of items are goin to be legendary lol?

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Where did this drop?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

why all the warrior hate? hunters are ranged damage 'doers'. they get 3 (not counting talents) skills for melee. OOOO OMG THAT WEAPON IS MADE FOR HUNTERZORZ!1!1!11

lets be real here people

Edited, Fri Apr 29 14:11:44 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Actually, A hunter wouldn't even want this, 2x Dawns edges will do the trick. As For paladins.. they should just stay back and play with their shield or something. For mr. Paladin who was being all pumped about dealing more dmg than everybody: Either the others(behind you in the dps-meter) were total noobs(i.e Hunters specced for beastmastery lol) Or 10 levels below you.

Warriors don't need this either.. What the hell is a warrior thinking about if he uses a 2 hander? Deathwish? Now.. Both warriors and paladins could use it in PvP, it's the only application this sword has. But since paladins really just run around with their shield up or healing themselves(looking totally retarded btw)...that's why I think It should go to a Warrior, a paladin can pick up some little 2 handed twig or something..

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A hunter will never get a high DPS 2 handed weapon on any raid I go to. Epic Guns and Bows were made for hunters because that's what they do the most of. Who is going to benefit more from a 75 dps weapon, a MS warrior or a hunter (melee hunter? he wouldn't be in MC if he was a melee hunter).

This is strictly paladin/warrior weapon only as is the axe. Hunters simply will never be allowed to loot these... and the guilds who are even ABLE to beat her aren't going to have retarded loot systems that allow hunters to get these weapons. Don't kid yourself, you hunters will never wield this weapon.

Edited, Fri May 13 19:04:16 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I don't know about a warrior, but i have regular (as in about 2 times per duel) hits ranging from 700-1100 at level 37.

Edited, Fri May 27 11:05:45 2005

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Sry Guys, but if you say that paladins do more damage than warriors then you got no clue how damage dealing works. We dropped Ragnaros twice with our guild and two allies and i can say that warriors even beat hunters and mages in the damage done rankings. Full def specc is useless for tanking. Even the maintank can tank Ragnaros with 31 points in arms. And i should know, cause i maintanked him.
We have a DKP system, but we decide first which items benefits what class the most. That means a DPS Warrior that does not tank in Molten Core, besides Majordomo, can use such a weapon in PvE and in PvP. A Paladin is a pure buff and healing character in raids and in PvP to be honest, he is not the damage dealing powerhouse that a warrior can be. A paladin won't die, that's right, but he won't kill anybody either.
To the people that say this would be a hunter weapon too, sry guys, but that is wrong. Hunters are a mostly ranged dps class, ok they need also a good melee weapon but this weapon does not benefit their ranged dps. They just should use something that gives boni to agi, crit or sth like that.
For example Typhoon, good hunter weapon imho.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just got this Monster.

Man, its a beast. Nice thing too is that proc is a curse. Ie, stacks with sunders and adds nice hate.

Time to farm for orbs.

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if i got this weapon i would never use it, as i would die and go directly to heaven, DO NOT pass IF i would go directly to heaven, as well ill stick with my copper broadsword, it is good for beating cats with

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While i may believe that this weapon could be better used by a Warrior, i have no sympathy for alliance warriors who get outrolled on this by pallies. If you wanted to get all the plate drops and all the weapons like this, you should have rolled a horde character. I for one never have to worry about a pally rolling on my !@#$, and never will.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ugly though :( kinda too small

Edited, Oct 28th 2006 at 8:29am PDT by SlovakDJ

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Grats guys :) that's one hella pimp sword :D

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only a NEWB pally would accept this.... its ms sword for WARRIORS they have skills that USE this TYPE of WEAPON... beside just RAW dps. Do pallies have any type of dps? nooooo!.. ima rogue and I know this better than you morron.

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In all bloody honesty, it actually upsets me to see hunters claiming rights to this and even asked to bet let roll on it, if u even so much as think u would come near this weapon u need your head sorted, its clearly a warrior/pala weapon and until the day that every paladin and warrior have one u will never even get close, and i agree that this should be a legendary item and not just epic

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You guys/gals are all wrong, this is clearly the best Mage weapon EVAR! I mean mages run out of mana they have to fight, and they need a strong sword to keep their DPS up.

And yes I am kidding, if you can't see that go play a MUD.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

definately a warrior weapon. if the arcanite reaper can fast this thing will wipe people. lvl 51 druid btw so screw u palys

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Pally stated the order this weapon should go in, I play a warrior on Medihv and it would be a damn shame to see this weapon go to a warrior over a paladin, because ALL warriors who want to play any real part in a raid should be DEFENSE specced, and if you are defense specced, you shouldnt ever really have any reason to use a 2-handed weapon anyway... ANY paladin could beat the hell out of a warrior, but if you had a fight between a warrior and a paladin who could not heal, the warrior would whoop his ass. Warriors are defense, if your a warrior, use a god damn shield, and if you dont want to, make a damn paladin... 10-20 actual dps isnt worth losing 2100+ armor for a warrior at all... as for the concept of this weapon going to a HUNTER... now thats just retarded.

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I love pvping pallys that try to dps. It makes BG's so much faster to win. Pallys should be healing and decurseing and buffing.

Don't give me any BS about don;t tell me how to use my class, that is one of the resons you will never see this in your life. EVER

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Bonereaver's Edge >

? Well ? Opinion people !chop chop!
(consider the upcoming patch ofc!)

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I agree, the warriors in my guild are kicking themselves in the face for not takign this the 10 times it dropped earlier. The upgrade put this sword easily on UTB level. If not better.

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Horde side guild Ascent on Medivh server gets to claim this kill

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Did I just see a 75.9 DPS? You have got to be kidding me.....I think I just got a woody.

Imagine the crits....

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A warrior got it, LOL @ pallies thinking its ok for them to roll on it..

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Was just looking around to see what the best weapons were, and what I could realistically aim for...

I suppose I made the mistake of reading these posts, because its very depressing. I pretty much soloed my way up to 54, and at 53 I was still able to solo things 4 levels higher then myself. I never picked a paladin so that at the end game when(if) I ever went on raids I would just be this extra healer... If you want an extra healer, ask for one, don't impose your beliefs of how a paladin should be played on someone else.

Because if you ask me to come along on a raid to be an extra healer/buffer, I'm going to tell you no, even if *gasp* that means I give up chances at great equipment.

It really gets to me when everyone but pallys says that a paladin should be played a certain way.

Just my thoughts.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This could reave my bone any day!

Uh... that sounded really wrong, but you know what I mean. It's really good, and sweet looking too. Doesn't really go with any warrior sets though.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i picked up this puppy on guild's second rag kill,
was shooting for a S. Reaper but oo well this worked out just as good.

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I *cannot* wait to get this, when it drops, the way my guild's working out, the warriors are so badass we're looking out for what people want, and it's a good chance I'll get this

Downed Raggy for the first time tonight (as a guild, 3rd time myself) - Just looking on the up now, such a great guild =D

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This thing is an absolute beast. The dps on it is extremely high and unprocced hits much harder than UTB unprocced or even drake talon cleaver. Procced, it hits harder than even ashkandi or GM sword depending on armor calss. Unlike UTB though, this thing procs like its going out of style and frequently stacks all 3 times.

Took about 12 rag kills for us to see one drop though...warriors with anything less than kalimdor's or ashkandi should seriously consider it.. it's just amazing

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This is clearly a priest weapon

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I would hope that any guild good enough to receive this sword would not still be *rolling* on items. DKP ftw

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Ivalice, paladin from Magtheridon in my Guild got this when we downed Rag. We are a raiding guild and we sure as &*!@ dont use DKP. We prefer systems where people who were in the raid all have a chance (unless A. this is their first time or B. they won something already). To say paladins deserve this over warriors is stupid. Just cause a warrior may be able to do more damage doesnt mean they need good two hander more. A paladins only source of dmg is a 2 hander just like warriors so they both have equal claim to it. That crit + SoC crit = 2500 dmg easy

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This is probably the strongest weapon in the game, period. I'll have to get this for my warrior. Screw Arcanite Reaper, this one looks so much cooler too.

I think any of the three classes can roll on it, however warriors get seniority. If the warrior has/doesn't want it, then it goes to a paladin, and if they don't want/ have it, it goes to the hunter. If they don't want it/ have it (not very likely), then it should go to whoever wants a little extra cash/ disenchanters.

Warriors: Obvious, damage dealers.
Paladins: They're weak as it is. They need this sword to try and match up to warriors in damage. Can't just sit there and tank, gets boring.
Hunters: Screw stats. For all we know, this might possibly be stronger than any bow in the game.

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I say it disenchants into an orgasmic purple shard of gay love... or your mom

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Bobbins:
I played a 60 paladin in MC raids for quite a while, and honestly the only roll they are needed in is buffing and dispelling, along with backup healing to conserve the priest or druid's mana. The miniscule and completely random dps a paladin deals is not nessessary at all. Paladins make the alliance's MC runs much easier as they have 2 dispelling classes, a vital role that can't be overlooked. You are going to have to conform to the rolls an MC raid needs you to fill.

Otherwise, in normal end game raids (everything but MC/Onxyia) you usually are able to hit stuff and occasionally heal if the main healer is oom or killed (which shouldn't happen). Buffing is a major part of the paladin's role, so you are going to have to get used to that.

Edited, Mon Jul 11 22:33:22 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

the DPS r awesome even tho i little bit concern about the speed. imagine this BAD BOY with Crusader or Unholy enchant! =D

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I can't wait for this thing to drop. I really need something to use while I am not tanking. Im 4/8 on might because I spend all my raid points on them.

I would really love to have this thing. Too bad it looks dumb.

(Same as that level 30 warrior quest 2H sword)

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looks like a brownish version of the whirlwind sword, but with little skull at the shaft.

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yea, its an alright weapon, i duel weild two of these even though they are twohanders.

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Obviously a fine Paladin sword for Retri Spec Pallies.

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If any hunter wants this then that Hunter should just quit the game..1% crit chance can be gained from other things. You will not use it at it's full potential. I my self is a hunter and this weapon just doesn't do anything for a Hunter. Don't look at the dps, you wont melee much. Check my profile for a good hunter sword :)

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?51938

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NO so before we say a pally should have it or not how about you kill em:)

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A few things:
"in a period of say 1 minute you will have proc'd with seal of command 3 times 4-5 at the very most. " - Hephaestion.

A warrior can hit MS every 6 seconds. Most true MS warriors try to come as close to this as possible. This will often be 8-9 extra attacks/minute, as opposed to 3-5. Also, MS does extra damage, so against everyone but plate-wearers, it would probably be better than Seal of Command.

Also, with sword specialization, we have a 6% chance of an extra attack whenever we attack. This would be around 1 extra attack per minute with this sword.

Also, SOMEONE said pallies 2-hit people. Yeah, sure, a paly can 2-hit a cloth-wearer with crap greens of the owl, critting and proccing seal of command both hits. I'm amazed.

And on the crit thing, a good end-game PvP warrior will probably have about 30% crit with this thing.

In response to Sterben's whole post:

"Warriors are tanks. They should be using sword/shield. Paladins are offtanks and melee assist. Thus, they need 2h to be able to add damage. I'm not sure how people miss the logic of this, but they do."

If you're off-tanking, you should still use sword/shield, and this is from MC. You know that paladins don't melee in MC, right?

"In addition, Paladins have a talent to increase +crit. Warriors do not. Thus, weapons with +crit to them seem more appropriate for a class that can spec that, at least logically speaking."

This has already been shown stupid.

"Anyone who thinks this is a warrior only weapon and not viable for Paladins is a fool, and makes me glad I group with players who know how to play this game."

This isn't a point at all.

I'm alliance, but I'm glad the horde got this sword, because if a paladin took this...I would be so pissed. And so would all of the warriors in his raid group.

Edited, Sat Apr 30 00:00:00 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ok please answer me this if a pally wants it they should be able to answer this correctly.

If a pally isnt meant to tank... then please tell me what are they meant to do?... Lmao your great DPS is so overwealming so you need this sword to better it? umm no... Your great healing skills make you deserve this? no... so why do you... umm... you dont period... Get off with the idea that (Protection) warriors are the only ones wanted in raids THEY ARENT dmg dealing 2hd warriors are just as good sure we do take a beating i know that but we're better off doing much more dmg then taking it... since you're too damn gimped to actually hold agro rigth... i mean in any other game ived ever played paladins are meant to well you know... tank sure warriors can tank too but were not meant to be the main ones... Either way I know if i ever see this drop and anyone but a warrior gets this im going to be pissed... I dont care if i get it sure i want it just like all of you would but NOONE but a warrior deserves it and we all know that

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The Blackand Doomsaw or Obsidian Edged Sword would better suit a pally. No..this weapon definately belongs in the hands of a Warrior. Maybe a hunter with the combination of a Striker's Mark, but sense the introduction of Lok'dolar staff of the Ancient Keepers that transforms into Rok'lodar Longbow of the Ancient Keepers, I see no need for this weapon to be in the hands of anything other than a warrior.

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On PvE I don't see any reason why a hunter would roll on this. In high lvl instances hunters just don't melee unless the main tank can't do the job right. Sure the maintank needs to use a shield+1h, but offtanks could use this.

On PvP, there's no reason a hunter shouldn't roll on this equally with warriors. After all, with the honor system and zerging, hunters are very very often in melee situations. Even though they might get out of melee, this sword is definently a lifesaver if a rogue gets crippling poison on you or whatever.

So PvP, free roll for those who can use it.

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Why does everybody keep talking about DKP and no rolling. You really think all guilds that raid have DKP? Well think again....
And yes we're doing guild only MC.

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Also to any idiot who thinks prot specced warriors are the only warriors wanted in raids, you obviously havent killed rag anyway. After we got him down to 20% our warriors easily outstripped our rogues DPS wise.

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warriors can always respec for swords....

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plds should just sit back and heal dps my ass

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Ganthorazar get this through your head. This coming from a Paladin with epic gear. You will not outdamage a Warrior's DPS end game.. ever. Unless he is using leather or using a 1h/shield. Fact is things change from lvl 39 to 60.

1)He mightve had crap gear

2)you cant wear plate at lvl 39, which is why the fight was fast;Paladins are great in the lower levels but later your damage will not increase at around 45-50. While the warriors continues to grow with new skills.

3)It is a totally different game once you are 60 compared to only 39.

4)https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/search?q=Warrior please read both and compare https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/search?q=Paladin. As you can see Warriors have tons of combat abilities that add to their damage. Use your common sense.

5) Paladin end game gear is focuses on Sta/Int while Warrior end game gear is Sta/Str.

To say a Paladin does more damage than a warrior is just insane. Ask anyone who is level 60 and they will tell you the same thing I have just said.

6)Re-roll now if you think you will ever outdamage a warrior.

And that is your explanation Ganthorzar, have a nice day :)

Edited, Wed Jun 1 15:26:21 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The seal of command of this beaut will "hurt", im not even mentioning reckoning(which warriors have nothing similar to).So this is a pally weapon as much as it is a warrior weapon.I've already started saving dkp for it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've been at lvl 60 for over a month now, doing regular raids (BRS/BRD/Scholo/Strat/DM, etc.) nothing over 15 yet. Finished my MC attunement recently, but I like to PvP, simply because one of the more important things in RPG's for me is building up a character, and seeing how it stacks up against others'.

When I finally get around to doing MC (should be a couple more months I'm guessing), you're damn right I'd be trying my best to get this weapon whenever it drops. I don't mind buffing and healing in raids, and once I want a break from pvp, I'll go holy and do the raid thing. But in the end, running places like MC to me is a means to an end - going to pvp and kicking ass! And this sword would rip in pvp with retribution build. If I crit for 900+ with Peacemaker on Judgement of Command, this sword should take it to almost 1500! (the crits in my current build are over 20% already, and i'm shooting for about 25% eventually)

My point is - don't count out pallies, because we all have different reasons to play!

Edited, Thu Jan 5 18:59:32 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It's getting a nice little upgrade in 1.10, the proc is being improved so that (hopefully) you should actually notice it when it goes off, and its having another 15 stam put on top, which will be very nice for PvP.

Yay ^^

i'm just hoping against hope that it also gets a graphical remake, as currently every time i take my reaver out of the bag i die a little inside. :(

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The proc (700) reduction armor from target ennemi gan be a double proc, triple and etc..

My friend warrior reduce my armor 5000 to 2200

That make me a ubber cloth paladin Ouch

This sword rock now, its one of the best the proc is really nice

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Nice, palas got reckoning, they got soc and a crit chance of 10%, gl taking down my warrior or his dps.

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Congrats to Ascent! First to slay Ragnaros. Awesome job guys, makes me wish I had rolled Horde. ;)

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You're all idiots -_-

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As it is, paladins must rely purely on luck to do any sort of damage whatsoever (using Seal of Command). This weapon would work great for a paladin, as SoC damage is based purely on weapon damage, thus the higher the better. No doubt it is very deadly in the hands of a warrior though, as I have seen, Bizter (60 Tauren Warrior from Shadows of the Horde) completely destroys people with this weapon. As for hunters, stats are probably better, and I agree with the hunter that posted before that Typhoon is a much better hunter sword.

My guild has just started to get serious about MC, so I hope I can pick up one of these in a few months (or however long it takes us to get to Rag), wouldn't mind an Obsidian Edged Blade either .

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got it tonight on our first kill

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heres an idea ... why dont you all shut the #$%^ up about whos weapon this should be.

most people wouldent be stupid enough to waste thier DKP on this wep if they dont need it and if your using a rolling system and are in a random pick up how the hell did you down rag?

also ... a hunter in MC would usually be full MM. what use is a beast mastery or survival hunter in MC? so therefore ... what use do you have for this blade? as i said ... a hunter wouldent be so stupid to waste thier DKP on it.

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http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?758106

heres the link noobs

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That's friggin amazing.... :|

*Better than the General Marshal's 2H sword*

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Ah! Congratulations, guys! This is the milestone to be remembered =)

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This sword drops off Ragnaros, the last boss of Molten Core, who was just taken down recently. Obviously the best sword in the game, a certified beast. Good luck in getting your own ;).

Edited, Wed Apr 27 18:54:51 2005

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If I won a roll over a warrior on that weapon and he started giving me crap for it, I would do my best to annoy the hell out of him by not even using it just because its so stupid thinking its a one-class-only item. Do I see a "Warrior" requirement on it? Nope.

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I don't understand why some of you are so spiteful towards paladins and their divine shield. If it wasn't for that shield, then GG on corpse run in many circumstances for you idiots. The pally wouldn't live to rez you.

And for the Horde, you have freakin shamans. If anything needs a nerf, it's them, so shut up about paladins.

I prefer this sword go to a paladin than a warrior. Why? warriors aren't meant for DPS end game, your just there for people to beat up on you and have a decent enough weapon to get and maintain agro. Leave this to a melee class who is dps based - paladin.

Hunters are RANGED attackers. Their purpose is not to melee. For the idiot who said they are in line for this, think again. This sword is wasted on them.

Pally first, warrior second. No others should roll for it.

And no, I don't play a paladin, contrary to my username. Mages FTW.

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This weapon would substantially increase the DPS of a warrior

because, as you know, warrior dps is exponential which is the reason the reaper is so hated by cloth wearers..

Now you have a weapon that has 60 more base damage, thats 145 or so extra damage per crit (impale), more deep wounds damage and MS would be THAT much better.. but heres the clincher..

Warrior DPS is exponential for a number of reasons but one of the most important, yet unnoticed is that rage = special moves and base damage = rage, so doing this much more base damage will generated that much more rage that warriors will never have a time in which they dont have 30 rage for Mortal Strike, this means they can then suppliment the rage on even MORE damaging moves increasing the total DPS again..

This weapon is wasted in the hands of a hunter, completely, melee hunters are so $%^& its not funny..

and a paladin? dont make me laugh! the benefit it gives a paladin is a near linear increase in DPS, the proc is the only thing that makes it exponential and then it is not a major improvement

sure both hunter and paladin can make use of it, but it gains the MOST benefit in the hands of a warrior, period

Edit additions:

Using a mod that parses group damage given and taken then filtered and calculated..

Warrior DPS in Molton Core is ALWAYS substantial, depending on the boss or the trash mob, warrior dps is more often than not on top of the ladder, beating even mages and rogues..

Now this is because you only need to be in defensive with a sword/shield if you are the one tanking the mob, all the others can DPS it up and easily enough stance switch and take agro if the MT dies or loses the mob

Edited, Sun May 1 20:33:25 2005

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all my warrior buddy go to MC with me r protection specced in MC where my pally have my 2 hander on all the time cuz pally cant hold agro we r not expected to tank so we all know warrior cant afford to lose that 2k armor without shield so i think only if pally passes warrior shouldnt roll for it and hunters dont EVER roll for it u guys got raptor strike i know but 70% hunter i know got the doomsaw so its not that much a upgrade for u and u guys melee damage is around 2% of ur total damage so just have a little awareness of that and not get urself blacklisted for something u guys dont really need

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It's adorable to see people get so worked up over a game. It's like when a 6-year old throws the gamecube controller down, only cuter. And it's great for quoting if ever I need to feel better about myself.

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"206 - 310 Damage"

This goes good with a paladins SoC :)

Edited, Thu Sep 15 22:21:52 2005

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I love this weapon. it seems great for an arms 2h sword warrior. One question about the proc, will it prevent sunders? Will the -300 armor inferifer with them?

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So what server gets to claim this victory?

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What an awesome hunter weapon!
Sorry... it had to be said. Apparently maces are the only things that are safe.

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Uh, Warriors can increase their crits by up to 10% from talents too. In fact, a +5% crit talent on all melee is at the very first tier of the Fury tree. They can get +5% crit to either Axes or Polearms as well late in the Arms tree.

So no, Paladins don't get as much crit as Warriors do.

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a worrior deserves it but this wepon is so good that i whod rol on it iven if i culde use it come on this most be the best wepon in the game =)

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i have an idea why dont they change that purple name to a yellow name and change the words two hand to main hand, that would be an item I could live with, and increase the dispute range.

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First of all, Pimpside is right. The only way a Pally deals damage is by the sword, so warriors and pally's should have equel chance. Everything else said about it is off topic.

Secondly, why do many people keep saying that warriors deal so much more damage than pally's? I've tested it and it's simply not true. I deal as much or more damage than a warrior.

I tested it vs a warrior who was only one level below me. We both had the same weapon. I (as a pally) didn't shield/heal myself during the fight. Just one on one chopping to see who would die first.

First time the warrior won, second time i won. Noticable was that the warrior dodged a huge amount of my blows, many more than i did his, this was both times we duelled. Since i lost and won, it simply means that not only can a pally keep up damage wise, a good pally can deal more damage per blow than a warrior. And in this respect, a pally would need the sword more since he doesn't hit as often!

Think i speak crap? Come to Dreanor realm with a same level warrior, and after a few duels you will know that i tell truth.

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I am a 60 Paladin, and do PvP... yes paladins do deal good amounts of damage, that is... if they proc alot on SoC. However Fury/Arms Warriors out DPS Paladins any day (with ease). It is true that we are cleansebots/healbots/wannabe warriors (retribution spec). However, undead mobs are a different story. As far as pvp goes, my paladin uses +6% dodge items, I believe +45 Defense adding items, and Barbarous Blade along with 2 other +% crit items, in duels, Paladins can not be kite (if the paladin knows what he's doing) so please do not try, and I myself can get fury/arms spec warriors down to 20% hp sometimes 10% without heals or "I win button."

Paladins are great "Duelers" but when you are raiding Horde toons, they will aim for your ass... and once you use that "I win button" you are done for the next 5 mins, don't bother trying to get a heal off with 6 horde toons on ya.

I played d2lod alot so I am used to the not healing aspect in dueling. I only heal against rogues ><...

Against Cloth, paladins SoC proc/Crit can be up to 2k with my equip. Against Plate lucky to see 1200.

PS. Paladins are Uber Priestesses, no HoT (heals over time) but my mana pool with AI and Kings = 6k :) I can heal for long time, me love you long time. And we can take damage.

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Got this one today... yay :)

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I do more damage than you, gtfo the pally weapons and spec Fury.

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Loladins AND hunters can just shut up and go reroll warriors....!

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cul sword

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Mygod i want this sword so so bad. Not only is it the mad Stats but it uses the same design as my Whirlwind Sword which is so pimp as it is. This is my endgame sword goal Easy... throw a crusader on this and ill wet myself... Anywhere to find out the details on how you even kill ragnoros.

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He's using CT_Raid mod, but it seems to be a tweaked version. Perhaps there are options i havent found to sort by class ect... i wouldn't know i dont play with it much.

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OK I've has enough of this complete Kiddie on Dad's credit card bull#$%^.

This is a Paladin/Warrior weapon. And hell if everyone on the raid had one, the next man down would be a hunter, but lets be fair guys in the time it takes you to swing this puppy....against a melee class, you should already be dead!

On Foror's Compendium of Dragon Slaying it says Paladin/Warrior only. Thats because Paladins are a melee, gear dependant class, most of which due to some run ins with the nerf bat and poor alternative talents, are 2 hand using retribution specced. And that means we use Seal of Command.

Seal of Command is a buff that adds a damage dealing proc to your weapon. This damage is dealt as holy (so ignores armor) but can be dodged, missed like a melee attack, it cannot be parried or blocked, because it ignores armor.

The damage dealt by the seal is determined by weapon damage, the faster and weaker hitting the weapon, the weaker the holy damage dealt. Not only this but seal of command procs on a per minute basis, not 2/5 swings, but in a period of say 1 minute you will have proc'd with seal of command 3 times 4-5 at the very most.

SO! the slower the weapon speed the better because:

a) The Holy damage will be more (with a weapon like this you are gonna see about an added damage of 500-600)

b)This is a slow weapon, therefore with a per minute based proc there is greater likely hood of a proc on each swing, rather than loads of weak swings and an occasional weak proc. We have Strong powerful swings with massive dmg dealing procs that will go off probably every 1/3 swings with this thing.

Paladins are a gear dependant class like any warrior, to stop them from rolling on a weapon like this is utter lunacy. However my argument is entirely vouched upon the fact I am retribution specced, and proof of this on the roll can be given by Blessing of Kings/Seal of command/Vengeance. How good this would be in the hands of holy/prot spec I cannot say.

There is no legitimate reason other than the fact Warriors are being angry, bitter, jealous little kids who simply want to try and eliminate more competition on the rolls.

Any Warrior wanna see if they can take me down? Stormreaver server : Alliance, Hephaestion lvl 60 Paladin.

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WARRIORS WEAP FOREVA not hunters or pally's FOR THE HORDE

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Ascent would disband before they allocated this to a hunter instead of a capable warrior.

Paladins at least have something resembling an argument, but fortunately as horde we don't have to deal with their whining =P

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at least against caster classes you dont really have to worry about crit chance
just recklessness and you have 100%crit
so where's the problem?

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If a Hunter i know in RL looted this weapon from me (im a warrior) i would go right to his house, kick him in the balls, sell everything he have and send the money to me.

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I hope this is a place holder image... cuz I have crapped out better looking wepns.

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Dear Paladins.

Stick to your sheilds in pvp and heal the person with this.

Much more effective than you taking it.

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I cant wait for 1.10, besides..BRE looks awesome on Undead..othe skull on the handle really suits them nicely and the black glow is the best ingame.

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yeah this sword is sick i just got it the other night im a prot spec warrior im even doing 3000+ executes and like 800-1000 crits its beautiful

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This is more a Paladin sword than a Warriors.

Why?

Warriors are tanks. They should be using sword/shield. Paladins are offtanks and melee assist. Thus, they need 2h to be able to add damage. I'm not sure how people miss the logic of this, but they do.

In addition, Paladins have a talent to increase +crit. Warriors do not. Thus, weapons with +crit to them seem more appropriate for a class that can spec that, at least logically speaking.

Anyone who thinks this is a warrior only weapon and not viable for Paladins is a fool, and makes me glad I group with players who know how to play this game.

*edit* This is in response to those who seem to think this is Warrior only. Personally, I would have no problem with a warrior rolling on it as a 2h warrior is as viable in PvP as a 2h Paladin. Warrior only though? Nope.

Edited, Thu Apr 28 16:26:09 2005

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I love how these forum posts often end up with comments flaming other classes (namely Hunters and Paladins).

Warriors AND Paladins should roll on this. Why? because both classes can use it well.

Warriors would beat the living daylight out of anything with this sword and Paladins would live longer with this sword.

(writers braces self for inevitable personal flames/attacks against Paladins, himself, his country and everything else that he holds dear)

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all my warrior buddy go to MC with me r protection specced in MC where my pally have my 2 hander on all the time cuz pally cant hold agro we r not expected to tank but with this weapon we can easily crit hit for 1-2k damage and we all know warrior cant afford to lose that 2k armor without shield so i think only if pally passes warrior shouldnt roll for it and hunters dont EVER roll for it u guys got raptor strike i know but 70% hunter i know got the doomsaw so its not that much a upgrade for u and u guys melee damage is around 2% of ur total damage so just have a little awareness of that and not get urself blacklisted for something u guys dont really need

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I always thought hunters wanted to handers that boost stats probably a + to crit would be nice. I can tell you that this weapon is a bit of a waste on a hunter. Its application is in PVP where it could do some nasty damage for a paladin who can keep himself alive with heals or nastier for a warrior who is less survivable.

Bottom line is whoever has the most points will win this there will never be a roll and there will be a master looter. I seriously doubt that anyone who ever plays this game will ever get to 'roll' on this unless they change MC to a 20 man instance in the future.

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i want this weapon just to put fiery enchant on it, mmmmmmmm it would look godly

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Quote:
"None of you have probably even SEEN ragnoros. so shut up, you have NO CHANCE at this weapon.

1) i'm top of my guilds DKP, and our last attempt had ragnoros down to 27%. when he dies this next week, if he drops this sword, its mine. and I'm a paladin. Roll? are you retarded? ANY guild thats made it to ragnoros is a raiding guild. Rolling is for open raid retards, raiding guilds have loot systems. so all your "you shouldn't roll!" sh*t belongs in UBRS/scholomance/strat.

Warriors use a SHIELD on serious raids. Warriors TANK, they don't dps on raids, and our warriors are all defensive specced, since arms/fury are USELESS on a raid of this scale. if we wanted more physical dps we would have recruited more rogues.

No one -needs- a two handed weapon. it doesn't help warriors tank better, doesn't help hunters shoot arrows/bullets better and it doesn't help paladins heal/cleanse better. all two handers are no more than toys. That being said, this toy will be mine."

You my good friend, are an idiot.

You think warriors only tank? You think they only use 1h + shield? Think again.

Why did you only get ragnaros to 27%? Probably because you didnt have enough DPS. How do you get dps? You have rogues and warrior go full damage.
We've killed ragnaros 4 times, and we get him in Execute range before his hadds spawn thanx to rogues and warrior DPS.

And you seriously think paladins have as good use for this sword as a warrior damage-wise?

pfft

edit: With more warriors/rogs instead of like mages and hunters, we would down him before adds come.. Reason for not doing this is we dont wanna waste the loot :)

Edited, Fri May 27 13:32:01 2005

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It would actually be damn good as a hunter weapon. However, it should always go to a warrior.

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How about you people stop this rediculous discussion? At the point in the game where a Paladin would be able to get this weapon, he'd very likely already be toting around a Lavadredger, or holding out for one.

And warriors simply have more damage potential than Paladins. This doesn't mean Paladins can't do a lot of damage or never outdamage a warrior, it just means that if all factors are equal, a warrior will simply do more damage. This is just the way the game is balanced.

All other things aside, I have this weapon and must say that I'm pretty disappointed by the looks of it. I don't understand why so many items in MC have unique graphics, but of all things considered exactly the most precious drops in the instance, Ragnaros' own loot, does not. It's kinda stupid.

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pala= no dmg dealer! thats just a funitem away from mc/bwl!
pala is like a priest!
pala frostmoure

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is this weapon available for both horde and alliance?

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Yeah i just got this weapon, and it pwns. I got a 3k ms and due to sword spec it hit twice so it was a @#$%^en hit of like 6k. I shoted a warrior which was pretty wel geared. Spinal reaper has the looks but this has the power. They gota upgrade it and make it bigger or soemtin.

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this has nothing to do with the sword, but what plugin does he use to show all the people in the raid and if they're dead?

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This is clearly a retribution paladin sword. I must have this!

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if anyone that isnt a warrior rolls on this i would kick him out of the group and out of the guild FOREVER. you dont do that kind of $%^& on BoPs

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I call BS on the guy that said a Hunter rolled on a rockpounder mace.

Hunters can't use mace's.

PERIOD.

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You are incorrect

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okay, here is the thing:

I agree completely, paladins should have an equal chance on rolling for it, but the thing is if it is a guild only run and i decide who gets it i sure as hell would want a warrior with this over a pala with it. palas might be able to dish out some good damge with it, but a warrior with it would be plain out SICK. it would be lights out if this thing proccs sword specc of a MS crit and the extra attack crits. thats GG already for close to any class, cuz it would bring just about any class into execute range.

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"Pally, can deal as much damage as a warrior (With SoC)...so dont think this weapon should automaticly go to a warrior plz"

Haha!

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Pallies are a melee class. There is no other way for us to do sufficient damage to be worth a damn, so I say pallies and warriors should be able to roll on this together.

1v1 we need all the DPS we can get without sacrificing alot of HP and MP. Hell I'd like to have 5k HP and MP with 20% crit all the time, but it probably won't happen.

I roll with 4k HP and MP in my normal gear, and this weapon would make my life a bit easier, especially with +22 int or crusader =)

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Does anyone know if they changed the graphics of the weapon, or if it stayed the same?

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this kickass weapon (wich is my absolute favourite^^) will propably get buffed in 1.12. i've heard the maximum stack will be 5 or 6, there is a chance that this weapon will have NO stack limit

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Awesome sword :)

Should be though ;)

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To finish this stupid debate on who can use the sword and who cant...U ALL CAN, i dont see the "warrior only" or "hunter only" all i do suggest is that if a warrior, paladin and hunter are in same group use 2h swords then they both roll.

Case closed no more whines, complains or biting eachothers throats out :-)

smile and be happy its a damn good sword

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You guys are mental. Lets talk pvp value.

There are 3 times of classes: Melee, ranged, and casters.

Rogues, Paladins and Warriors are all melee classes
Hunters are ranged
Everything else is a caster class (first and foremost, including druids and shamans)

So the only argument should be between the Rogue, Warrior and Paladin. Guess what. Rogues don't use 2 hands so I guess we're down to 2. And now we need to consider....wait...NOTHING. Thats it. In pvp there's only 1 way for a melee class to kill. By using a melee weapon. Paladins don't heal or cleanse people to death. They use their 2h. That's why there's a talent tree dedicated to damage. Same goes for warriors. Regardless of group or solo pvp, those aren't factors when distributing loot in raids. It goes to the person who deserves it (within the classes that need it)

The whole debate of who gets the "most" use out of a item is redundant and has been for a while. Obviously you need to exclude people from rolling based on the class types I listed above (ranged, melee, caster) when considering weapons, but aside from that if we lived by the "most use" rules you'd only see warriors and priests getting all the loot. Hybrids would get nothing. Don't feel bad about being retards tho. It's not your fault.

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Give it to us ^^ there is a reason the updates on pally gear makes you guys healbots heh.

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Sorry to say this but, from what I'm hearing most of you sound like you've grinded to 60.

please note *most*

Hunters

I'm appreciating all the comments about this NOT being a hunter weapon. Please hunters, stay away from the mobs where you belong. Way way way back. If you find yourself in melee so much that you see this as a necessary weapon then use your traps / skills better and learn to keep your distance. Stick with the Typhoon.

Pally's

What the %^&* is going on with the pally posts? Damage dealers? Warriors tanking?

I can't be bothered to find the quote but someone here said something along the lines of "Paladins wont outdamage a warrior but they will live longer." This is so very true, the only thing pally's should be doing in parties is buffing and bailing people out when the healer drops dead.

Now i dont know how your raid parties work but my ideal 5man party for each is 2 Warriors, 1 mage/rogue, priest and a druid/pally.

now i'm going to stress this point with caps,

AN ENTIRE RAID PARTY ONLY NEEDS 4/5 TANKS.

That is 4/5 warriors who enjoy the pressure of tanking and keeping aggro. The rest of the warriors simply beat into everything else, and can often outdamage mages / hunters in raids, and still have the back up skills such as mocking blow
and challenging shout.

My opinion is this is a warrior weapon, it has massive top end damage, meaning our skills benefit greatly. the 300 armour reduction is pretty crap in my opnion but the +% crit is nice.

Aint saying thats the gospel, but when you look at it logically, warriors benefit from it more than any pally.

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Jesus %^&* I am so glad I rolled Horde, do you paladins even realise how much a pain in the ass to the warriors who got you to this drop are? Even if a Paladin can outdamage a warrior in full wrath...wrath is a god damn broken tanking set. Give the warrior some of the real gear he needs, and he will dwarf the paladin stupid.

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Being upgraded in this 1.10 patch.

It will add Stamina (dont remember how much, somewhere between 10 and 20)

Instead of the proc sundering, its a self-buff that ignores 700 of your enemies's armor for a duration.

Yes it keeps the 1% Crit

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-700 AMOR is a buff on self or a debuff on target?

if is a buff on self, i'll take it!

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Big grats, glad horde got him first

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So far, this is the best weapon in the game, period.

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I say if the class can use it, then let them roll on it. If you can train in 2h swords, then you should be able to have a fair chance at it. It's not clearly specced for any one class; it's not like it has healing specifics or anything so quit getting your undies in a bind. Sick damage is sick damage, and if I see it then I'm rolling on it.

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Warriors use axes for the crit chance...the DPS bonus is not worth losing the 5% crit chance that warriors love so much.

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As a 2h Pally speced of course Ret, with a lowlvl 2h mace, if I had a chance to roll on this puppy I would jump at the chance. I can understand why some people would say it is better in a warriors hands but it would also do wonders in mine too :) People sometimes forget when rolling for loot that a person who might not be the unanimous<ideal> choice may actually benifit the most by winning the item. I don't get to go to many raids/instances, and so I have pretty crappy gear ect. Give me this weapon and I will probably be 20% better at dishing out damage in pvp.

cya

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Damn you people Bash hunters way to much Be my guest roll on strikers mark. roll on Blastershot all hunters need is the leaf from domos chest and thats the end game ranged wep we will ever need. i see no reason for a hunter not to roll on this anytime you see a high end dmg wep OMG thats so not for hunters in every Motherf*#@!&*g wep thread. First off you dont need to be thinking about how good a PVP player you will become you need to think of how this would benefit the raid as a whole. But yes i believe warriors should get presedent over this wep not due to the top end dmg but to the CoH its has from the constant pounding of an NPC.

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Mr paladin do as much dmg as warrior? your dont know $%^&? paladins do FAR less dmg then warriors. the warrior you fought was probably one of the biggest tards ever, when I meet paladins they heal up 2-3 times before they even get close to take me down to 20-30%. Face it Paladins suck bigtime go away!

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Can the paladins who have never seen rag plz stfu?

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First off, hand of rag is ofc the best game.
Second, for a warrior, spinal reaper is waaaay better, especially pvp.
They might be comparable pve, but not in pvp..

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-the debuff can stack 3 times (-2100 armour)
-the graphic is the same

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OMG! This procs owns now, BRE >> UTB

Now all Bliz has to do is update the Artwork i mean....it looks like a freakin lvl 30 whirlwind sword. When ppl see UTB they are like zomg run! When u see a warrior wit this u're like zomg! warrior still with whirlwind sword. hehe, serously update the artwork.

Btw, it procs like uber tons now, like every 5-10 swings it will go off, don't think i've seen it go past 3-4 stacks though. Think it can only stack 5 times.

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Well. I have this as my 2h and Quel'Serrar as my 1h. If you take a look at it in the dressing room, it means that my 1h is quite a bit larger than my 2h :-)

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execute text :
"Attempt to finish off a wounded foe, causing 600 damage and converting each extra point of rage into 15 additional damage. Only usable on enemies that have 20% or less health."

correct me if im wrong, but the only thing that sets the dmg from execute is the ability itself plus any dmg buffs u have like BG buff, Death wish etc.

like a execute crit with 100 rage, BG buff and DW will be :

((((600 +(15*85))*2)*1,2)*1,2) = 5400 dmg then comes reduction from targets armor.
(im not sure if the crit "bonus" comes before or after the buffs are added tho, but i think its before and in this senario it doesnt matter for the resulting dmg anyways)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

wait, chance on hit decreases armor by -300... does that mean it increases the targets armor by 300?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Someone killed Ragnaros? Wow.

And check out all the censored stuff on the side. :P

And does anyone know where I can get a video?

Edited, Tue Apr 26 01:16:48 2005

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Now I don't want to get jumped on all at once, but is this better than the Arcanite Reaper for MS warriors? The max damage is over 50 points greater, and from what I gather, that is the most important stat for MS warriors. I understand that switching from an axe to a sword would lower your crit%, but wouldn't the higher max damage be worth it?

I haven't played a warrior through, so I'm really just quite cuirous.

Congrats on downing Ragnaros and bagging a swank sword!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i want this so bad im posting again lol. I made the picture my desktop background. that sword is so pimp. This is my biggest goal now period.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

that's an awesome sword to disenchant!

sorry, had to be said. :p

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Let a Paladin critically hit you with that thing and Seal of Command. Would love to see the look on your face and the edits to your posts.
Oh noes Paladin two-shot me! Nerf Paladins!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Yeah, that puppy is ripe for disenchanting!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

LOL what ever. First off 5% crit chance can be made up for in other areas if so desired. I dont use axes. I dont want to use axes and when Im using my 2h sword its generally in PVP or When the extra armor isnt a factor. Killing something 4 times faster evens out the amount of damage i might take with out that extra armor because they arent alive long enough to make a difference.
Like i posted before not everyone uses 2h Axe.. for whatever reason.
I love my Sword Spec. I can just imagine the damage this would do when i get the lovely 4 strikes in one swing because my sword spec proced and then proced again from the first proc just in time to land the next normal swing. This is my pvp wet dream. Take your cookie cutter 2h Axe build and have fun if thats what you want and like.
Ill stick to owning with my 2h sword spec.
Besides Swords are so much sexier than axes heh. Especially this one. Would love to see it with crusader on it or icy weapon. If you do get this enchanted send me a pic .. it will replace the picture above that ive already got set to my background reminding me what my level 60 weapon goals are every time i look at my pc.

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and another intresting fact i would like to point out is the fact that this not the best 2h weapon in the game. It is, however, So Far. The fact remains that if you have a weaponsmith buddy who has the plans for a Sulfron Hammer, than you need to get him/her to make you one to bank until you can defeat Ragnaros in a raid your self in hopes of him dropping an Eye of Sulfron, and most likely roll on and win this item cuz it is not very well known yet of what it does. IF you do win Eye of Sulfron you can then combine it with the Sulfron Hammer to make....... dunt dunna duh....RAGNAROS'S HAMMER....that's right the very hammer he has killed an assload of people with....so let your thoughts dwell on that!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

57 warrior first time seeing this weapon.

Beautiful..

I'd trade in everything I have, go back to level 1 and do unspeakble things just for a chance of one day owning this.

Does anybody have this weapon?

P.S STFU, take your arguements somewhere
else and leave this thread, you're not worthy!

Edited, Thu Jun 2 21:10:35 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I seem to be reading this alot "Pallys can deal as much as war's)If you say that you probally havent tinkerd around with your talent tree it is posible to do 2k dmg on plate wearers with an Arcanite reaper...Consider doing a few respecs to see how much Dmg you can get out...Also Ret spec is only needed for Seal of Command you really dont need anything else

Kommentar von Allakhazam

dropped yesterday - i had most DKP so ;p

Kommentar von Allakhazam

anyone who goes to MC/BWL/ etc etc and dont use DKP would only have themselves to blame if a hunter etc rooled on this.

using DKP is no elitest it's basic common sense. You get what you earn rather the luck of s dice roll.

In our group both warriors and paladins have equal rights. I have it now cos I paid more DKP. Great thats settled then.

Calling each other idiots etc is childish and wont get anyone anywhere. Let keep this place for facts and not thottbot baby tantrums

Regards
Lutharr

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This is one of the only weapons that affect executes, gg naysayers.

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That is insane, congrats guys!

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Edited, Wed Apr 27 07:29:56 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'll let a hunter or a pally roll on this, if and only IF i had gotten one before them :P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this would be a good sword for my hunter

Kommentar von Allakhazam

would anyone like to know the stats on this beautiful 2 hander. Well lets start with 80.3DPS, and than +12strength, +12stamina, +30fire resistance. hurls a firery ball cause 270 to 333 fire damage to the target and anything that hits you with a malee attack causes 5 fire damage every sec. for 5 sec. so who wants to argue who this hammer belongs in the hands of?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Wow, some hunters are idiots... OMGWTF! If i seen a hunter with this ide have to shoot myself in the foot. This sword would be wasted on a class that is not 100% melee, and there is no melee spec for hunters(and if you think there is maybe you should roll a warrior, train in guns, and go shoot @$^%!) hell ide rather use the Barb blade for obv stats that add to melee and ranged both or Typhoon for PvP(but only if you are specd with parry+counter attk).

Pallys have no place with this wepon. the are healers, go get +int or +healing.

Even if your the warriors in your guilds point systems are -200 and the pallys/hunters are all over 100 this sword should still go to a warrior.

Lvl 60 Dwarf Hunter

Edited, Fri Jul 8 00:07:17 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

the DPS is good but the chance on hit sucks...it should be a crusader kind of thing or +40 str and +40 stam and +1% to crit... but thats just me trying to be overpowered.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

the proc is Shadow based and can be resisted... also, it is a Curse and can be cleansed

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok, to get this weapon, you have to down rag, and to down rag your guild must be PvE, and if your in PvE and your a palidin, then your a healer. if a raid needs dps theyll take a rouge, hunter, mage, warlock, or warrior. if they need healing theyll take a palidin, priest, or druid. im sorry your not going to get this weapon palidins, unless your guild is retarded/or is well into BWL.

(i am a warrior and i have this ^^)

Ultralord- 60 Nightelf warrior-bloodscalp.

you can search up my profile, and yes, i own you

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone know of a warrior pvp video with this sword.....I cant seem to find any.

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Wow Grats guys. And grats to the warrior that got it. That is the most insane sword i've seen.

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way too nice, and if I had it my way, screw pallies. shield #$%^&s.

i'm glad only horde got it, this is a warrior's weapon 100%, and if you don't agree, forget you fool.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

saying this weapon would only benefit 1 class is absurd, anyone who says that is a complete idiot...obviously both palis and warriors depend on 2h melee in pvp, and the higher the damage the higher our soc crits could go. I tend to crit seal of command twice per average fight, so thats about 3000 damage with my typhoon from 2 hits alone, so with this that would jump to about 4000 if not more. Obviously any warrior will say oh well we have talents that would go well with that sword...true
so do palis...the only people who should not be allowed to roll on this are hunters, Typhoon is 10x better for you then this is, and i wouldnt even let a hunter roll on that if i was leading the raid group because you dont need damage that high for your wingclips here and there...leave the high damage high dps weapons to those who rely on melee and go to DireMaul to get the 1% crit 2h.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I still fail to see how this warrior is better for a warrior than for a paladin. We both have 2h+5% dmg and 5% crit from talents.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

None of you have probably even SEEN ragnoros. so shut up, you have NO CHANCE at this weapon.

1) i'm top of my guilds DKP, and our last attempt had ragnoros down to 27%. when he dies this next week, if he drops this sword, its mine. and I'm a paladin. Roll? are you retarded? ANY guild thats made it to ragnoros is a raiding guild. Rolling is for open raid retards, raiding guilds have loot systems. so all your "you shouldn't roll!" ^&*! belongs in UBRS/scholomance/strat.

Warriors use a SHIELD on serious raids. Warriors TANK, they don't dps on raids, and our warriors are all defensive specced, since arms/fury are USELESS on a raid of this scale. if we wanted more physical dps we would have recruited more rogues.

No one -needs- a two handed weapon. it doesn't help warriors tank better, doesn't help hunters shoot arrows/bullets better and it doesn't help paladins heal/cleanse better. all two handers are no more than toys. That being said, this toy will be mine.

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A pally not the damagedealing powerhouse a warrior can be? Well, i will just repeat myself. A good pally can deal loads of damage. When i am in a group i am not standing on the border buffing/healing others. I am in the middle of the fight slaying the monsters as efficiently as a warrior. I die less though...

I alone can take down two to three level higher elite creatures.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this weapohn should be rol by whoever need..hunter shouldnt cause they ned stats and thwey are ranged, but if they need. god let them roll!

Pally, can deal as much damage as a warrior (With SoC)...so dont think this weapon should automaticly go to a warrior plz

Edited, Fri Aug 19 19:54:52 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ive got it with my pally and its not that great really! The one from Alterac exhalted is better appart from the 13 dps less!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

dud e this sword is awsome not to mention looks alot like whirlwind sword

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The proc is a buff on self.

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this weapon is rly nice i just got it iam verry hapy with it i found out later that the proc stacks its just sooo nice

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http://img180.echo.cx/my.php?image=wowscrnshot0425052131333kl.jpg

grats.. hope they make the graphic a lot better for ya.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

OMFG WTF IS THIS ?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

What a great WARRIOR sword :-p

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couldnt have said it better myself. do you think MC is the only thing to do in this game after 60? just because pallys dont melee in molten core much, if at all, doesnt mean that they should not roll on this. this is an excellent weapon for a pally. and any warrior that says "i'm alliance, but I'm glad the horde got this sword, because if a paladin took this...I would be so pissed. And so would all of the warriors in his raid group." is a freaking idiot. pallys and warriors can get uqual use out of this weapon. i spec'd retribution on my pally, and i do plenty of damage. the fact that most pallys dont experience this damage is due to them specing holy or protection. to say that you would be pissed about a pally rolling on this is retarded.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

So pallies let the warriors have there sword because everyone knows who the undisputed hammer weilders are. A lvl60 pally with full light forge set and ragnaros' hammer. Now that's a beautiful thing.

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To all of you who say "This should go to <insert class>!":

STFU

Anyone who can wield this weapon is entitled to it.

There will never be rolling unless you are a 2h wielding class and your DKP is tied with another 2h wielding class, and even then it would most likely be assigned by the raid leader based on your seniority or how vital you are to the raid/guild or how much of an upgrade it is or how much ass you kiss or whatever. Someone saying "This belongs to a <insert class> only, and no other class should ever get it because <insert random stupid excuse>!" will never see this weapon so long as that attitude stays the same, because obviously they have no idea how guilds who are able to do this work.

Paladin? Warrior? Hunter? Who cares. Whoever has the DKP gets it, but it should never go to a class that can't use 2h's because, well, that's just stupid, and I hope that would never be a problem.

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@Ganthorazar
Uhm you're saying you can kill elite creatures that are 2-3 lvl above you, so aren't you Level 60 yet?

If so please be quiet, cause you know nothing about endgame content. A Paladin is not able to deal as much damage as a warrior. That's an undeniable fact.

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I wonder what this disenchants into :P

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I'm so glad I'm Horde. I don't have to worry about some Pally with his DPS insecurity wanting this thing.

The ONLY way a Hunter in my guild would be allowed to get this is if every Warrior already had one.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

A palandin don't even come close to warrior damage :P palas suxx they should not be allowed to get epic items at all :p

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hunters should be shot and pallys are nothing more than an priest on steroids and coke, thus this is warrior 110%

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Just got this from the guilds first Ragnaros kill. I have to say that this sword definitely OWNS! I often pull off 1500-2000 MS crits and 3000-4000 Execute crits with this bad boy. Has to be in the top 5 2-H weapons in the game, so I am very happy to have this. UTB doesn't come close to this PVP killer!

Edited, Sun Apr 23 21:38:55 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

there is better 2hand weaps for pally/hunt than this one...

I (paladin) would choose utb if i had the choice, since +300STR = phat dmgs without considering the SoC (wich can crit too, totalizing nice dmgs)

and for warriors sayin':

look paladins, i crit executes for 2-3k! omg i'm so good you're so weak ! you weakadin !

I respond:

get lost i crit for 2k and it ain't executes, just normal crits with SoC...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

First off when it comes to execute. you do not do more damage with a 2h wepon than u do with a 1h weapon when it comes to execute. highest crit execute 4045 with my 1h brutality blade.

Now with Ret speced pallys. In MC when i start to get bored of the trash mobs and im not listening to whats going on....just killing the mobs. I sit there and do white damage.....just sitting there not using any special attacks and a ret pally can bearly pass me or just slightly glide 1 or 2 places ahead of me. Im not all epiced out so im not more equiped than everyone around me. I have brutality blade ( nice weapon) and the av dagger (revered average weapon), if i try i can easily stay up in the 1-3 highest dps up with the mages and the rogues. there is just no way a ret pally can do ALOT more than a dps warrior unless much better equiped than everyone els. If i see a warrior in our raid with this sword, he should be at the top of the list. the entire time.

Kommentar von Raijinmeister

I got this beast for my arms warrior last WED 1/8/2020.

The proc is up pretty often making this weapon way above its current iLvl. The enemies are basically naked in front of you and I'm usually breaking the 800+dps even without a ton of buff in lvl 60 dungeons.

Can't wait to raid and see how my dps will be.

Kommentar von Gulanga

This sword is very famous, despite the lackluster look it has.

The reason it is so talked about is the special proc it has that lets the user ignore 700 armor on enemies, stacking up to 3 times.
Armor removal is one of the biggest DPS increases in Classic, which is why things like Rüstung zerreißen are so important.

To put this sword into perspective, bosses in BWL have around 3750 armor. With 3 stacks you can remove 2100 of that with the sword alone.
And it procs a lot. I've had situations where I've charged a target, have it proc on the first autoswing and then proc again a fraction of a second later when I use Blutdurst, so that I start a fight with 2 stacks up. From people that have tested it, it seems to have a procrate of 2 procs per minute from autoattacks only. This will of course mean that it is much higher once you start using abilities as well.

The problem is that using raid debuffs you can already remove up to 3395 armor from the boss, with 5x Rüstung zerreißen, Feenfeuer and Fluch der Tollkühnheit, which only leaves 355 on the target (which can be removed by a single stack of the swords proc). On private servers the bosses had much more armor making BRE legendary, that is where its reputation stems from. In Classic it is still great, just not as insane as rumors from private servers made it out to be.

Important to note: the proc is a buff for the user (Knochenhäschers Schneide) and not a debuff on the target.

It is a very popular weapon for PvP but also great for 2h Fury in PvE, the only downside is that it is very rare.

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Knochenhäschers Schneide

	Phase 1

Gegenstandsstufe 77
Wird beim Aufheben gebunden

Zweihändig	Schwert

206 - 310 Schaden	Tempo 3.40

(75.88 Schaden pro Sekunde)
+16 Ausdauer
Haltbarkeit 120 / 120

Benötigt Stufe 60
Trefferchance: Eure Angriffe ignorieren 10 sec lang 700 Rüstung Eures Gegners. Bis zu 3-mal stapelbar.
Anlegen: Erhöht Eure kritische Trefferwertung um 14.

Verkaufspreis: 10 60 67

Geplündert von: Ragnaros

Dropchance: 5.22%

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