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Kommentar von maurice

Junk. Even the .5 gloves are better, not to mention cheaper.

Kommentar von 1114

These gloves are quite nice for a Mage or Warlock. For a priest however, they serve very little purpose stats wise. Sure, they've got +int/+spr, but the critical rating is virtually useless for all priest specs (inspiration aside - and there are better options for them also). Suggested you not waste your hard earned money on making/buying these.

Kommentar von Thottbot

for the person that asked, "am i wrong?"

In my OPINION you are. Those gloves would be better if you're looking for the highest damage over time. If however you are on a PvP server, you need to get in and do the dirty deed as fast as you can; whether that be killing mobs for questing, farming, or pvp.

You need the highest amount of damage in the shortest amount of time. For that, that means i will take +2% to crit over your gloves of power anyday, at the chance that i will crit 2% more than you.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Some would say that crit is better than + damage in pvp. Though on a long term perspective, the best thing, is whatever deals the most damage on an average. Lets say you've got 10% to crit with SB, that means that 1/100 times, you'll get two SB crits in a row. So you'll win, once in a while. But you'll loose most of the time. In pvp, what deals the most damage is the most important. In PvE however, a warlock, with no treath reduction, who crits 2-3 times in a row, could get aggro, if it happens early in the fight, against an untauntable mob, so its not so bad after all. In the end, a sound mixs is the best. As for how this works, +healing is exact, though subject to reduction by lower casting time (not if its lowered by of talents) and lower ranks. This is very evident with healing, when the "long" heals recieve full bonus while flash heal only gets slightly below half.

Say you have a spell that allways hits for 100, and has a cast time of one second. If you go from 0% too 1% crit, you average dps will then go from 100 to 101. If it then goes from 1% to 2%, your dps will go from 101 to 102. So if you have 50% to crit and go to 51%, your dps goes from 150 too 151. 151/150 = 1,0067 = 0,67% increase. +1% crit is, over time, equal to +1% increase to base spell damage and (if you have any) + to spell damage items. +damage is a fixed amount regardeless of the spell, + to crit is also a fixed amount for each spell. a spell does 1000 damage, you then equip +200 damage gear and +5% crit, you avarge damage is (1000+200)* 1,05 = 1260. (base damage + + spell damage) * critchance. If you dont have ruin, crit is half of what it is with riun.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I am 31 arcane 20 fire, half epiced.

I'll have to agree that for ICE, + damage is ALOT better, due to the fact that icebolt is already low in damage as it is, and doesn't recieve full bonus, therefore it becomes nessasary. Also, the shatter talent makes +%crit fairly negligeble, since you already get 50% on frozen targets.

However,
For a fire mage, crit is better than + damage, in both pvp AND pve(outside mc)

Crit > Damage for fire:

Assuming you have improved fireblast and you know how to optimize/rotate you firespells so that you dont waste a single second waiting for cooldowns, fire is much more effective with +crit because of ignite.

Best rotation:
Fireball firstblast
fireball scorch fireblast
fireball scorch fireblast (repeat)

When doing this with the +14% crit i have on my magegear now i can stack ignite up to 3 times on a single mob, even tho they usually die after 2. Ignite stacks are deadly. Not only do they double the damage of the dot, but it renews it too. I currently only have in the neighborhood of around +160 fire damage, as opposed to other fire mages in my guild who have +300 or so, yet i'm always top 3 dps in ZG and AQ, and always #1 in 5 man instances.

As a mage in pvp, you are fighting in close combat almost half the time. This means that the 50% of the time you ARN'T fortunate enough to be able to just snipe, you're fireblasting more often than frost/firebolting. This means during this time that your primary fighting spell is one only gets 1/3.5 of the spell bonus + damage gets. But crits are static and always give full bonus, therefore its more effective. Fireblast crits with ignite are around 1.1k.

Kommentar von Thottbot

A crit is 150% dmg, therefore, if you do 1000 dmg, your crits would be 1500.

2% chance to crit means 2% chance to add +500 dmg (If the + dmg was actually accurate) if you think of it that way.
On the other hand, the +dmg is 100% chance to add (lets say 25)

If you were wearing two +25 peices as opposed to two +2% crit peices, the +dmg peices would prevail, as you would only be gaining 4% crit (4% of 500)

This is purely based on a "perfect" scenerio, and of course targets' levels and such affect crit (Defensive skill) and you may crit every hit in one fight but none in another.

This is how I see it anyway. For a pvp situation I find crit more useful because it helps if you "suprise" your target with dmg that may kill them instead of bringing them down gradually and giving them time to heal~

(Also take into account the fact that some classes get bonuses to skills on crit; IE, inspiration or shadow vulerability )

Kommentar von Thottbot

No stamina makes even a good casual warlock step away.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Requires level 57.

But the BC gloves are soooo much sweeter - quest rewards and even trash mob drops.

So, Moonkin and Wrlocks rejoice! ^^

~Darq~

Kommentar von Thottbot

Crafting these free with mats, usually have one to trade straight out for mats.

Server: Dragonblight
Faction: Horde

EDIT:

I currently DO NOT have a set for trade, I am working on make another today. feel free to hit me up in-game, and I will also be updating this post accordingly.

Kommentar von Thottbot

kind of surprised no one has said this, but even jaina proudmoore wore these they are so leet.

in the bonus campaign founding of durotar after you do about an hour and a half worth of playing she joins up with you rexxar and the troll hero and she just had these. except in the gsme they add 20 damage and the ability to instantly take over a summoned unit.

but on a side note these are garbage, complete garbage. req lvl 57 to use and then the quest greens in outlands or even the trash mob drops in outlands are way better than these. Maybe pre BC these would have been worth the time for some people but even then there kind of crap.

Kommentar von Thottbot

all this is fine and dandy, but where do you pick up the fricken recipe?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ive been getting mail from people on other servers about who it dropped off of and yes it was the end guy on scarlet side of Stratholme who turns into a dreadlord Balnazaar or however you spell it...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone know where this is obtained? Is the recipe through a quest or?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hello all.

I have seen these gloves linked before on Zul'jin but did not know they were crafted at the Time. I am currently looking for the Tailor, but would really like to know that materials list so I can get an apporximate value, and start collecting. If you have this pattern please post the materials for me, im despirate. : / and if you on Zul'Jin, send a message to Kirin.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

perhaps you missed the +2 crit chance?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok now who can actually give some useful info and tell us where this was dropped?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Excellent gloves, definately epic worthy. Though no matter how much people want to say it, there has been no post from Blizzard on how much intellect it takes to achieve +1% chance to critical strike with spells. No matter how much you test it with in game recording systems, all tests are inconclusive until the actual equation from the game files themselves are layed out before us to tell us the truth about it.
I do agree that it takes a substantial amount of intellect to get +1%, but to just state with assurance that it's 100:1 is stupid. There's a margin of error there, please stop dishing out information that could potentially be false.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Are these really only available to cloth wearing classes? Shammy's and Pally's can't wear them?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got mine today. I love em.
Fits to my Playstyle of Scorchspamming and Fireblasting

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Inabox can make on Korgath (horde). 75G + Mats

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 9:38pm by inabox

Kommentar von Allakhazam

These gloves rock. If anyone needs them on the Executus server I can make them for you send me a letter.

Maserk

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Weiser can tailor these on Blade's edge, alliance side. Message me.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The 2% crit is worth about 30 INT imo. The INT on the gloves also adds crit, so total for one item is >2% crit. Very nice gloves.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 23:56:32 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Rogues get .33 crit per 10 points in agi. IF the percentage is the same it equals out to 60 points in int. Most crit items dont have the additional stat like this either.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

100 intellect gives 1% to score a critical hit.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I wish these were like they were in WCIII TFT. You be so awesome to steal buffs...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

omg, these are so expensive, I would not even consider to craft them/let someone craft me a pair.

those blue gloves here are nearly as good, AND have 10 stamina
Gordoks Handlappen gloves of spellmastery have 1% aditional critchance, but my experience tells me, that this isn't worth the mats.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

since it does take rogues 30 agi to get one crit chance i would assume it is similar for casters it may vary amongst different caster classes but i think it is along the same lines.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Someone please explain why these are better than the Hands of Power Hands of Power. I don't think it can be done, because I'm pretty sure they're worse, except perhaps for PvP.

Figure: Best case scenario (warlock with Ruin, frost mage with 100% crit bonus) these add 100% damage to a critical strike. Ignoring the +4 intellect and +2 spirit, you would have to have a spell that HITS for 1300 damage for these to add as much damage on average.

Calculation - 1300 (crit bonus) x 2/100 (bonus chance) = 26 damage/shot.

To my knowledge, it is impossible to get any spell to hit that hard (you'd need about +600 or more to damage, which is significantly higher than Netherwind, which is obviously better than these.)

Admittedly, the math is a little more complex, since you have to factor in the base casting time modifiers for spell damage and the increased crit damage you get from +spellpower, but I think I've made my point.

I could understand preferring these for Arcane explosion, since it being a 1.5 sec cast and an AoE spell it gets a tiny fraction of the listed damage bonus. Aside from that, it seems like the wrong pair of gloves is being called epic.

So save your gold for something else and get in LBRS!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It is known for a fact that for casters it takes 100 int to increase your crit chance by 1%. Spells are supposed to crit far less than melee, which is why the chances are reduced and crit gear is far harder to come by. This is equivalent to 200 int for crit purposes, which is more than the int bonus from an entire tier-1 class set.

Note: Your crit chance is not just int/100. These is a base of around 4-6%, plus some dependancies on level. However, empircal test have shown that the crit chance dependance on int is 100:1 ratio.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

There is many posts about this subject. After many tests including my own, and just from my cosmos % listed that I crit I am very confident to say 100int=1% chance to crit.

Mage

Int 7000/7% crit
Incinerate - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your Fire Blast and Scorch spells by 4%.
Critical Mass - 3/3 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your fire spells by 6%.

This is 17% chance to crit with Fireblast, cosmos consistently records me critting at 16-18%.

100int=1%crit

Now how about someone posts on what matters like wtf do you get this pattern?

Edited, Wed Feb 9 20:53:53 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

every point of intelligence gives you a chance to crit with spells, if its the same as agility and strength (i think it was 1 pt = .04% chance to crit), then a 2% chance to crit is worth approximately 50 points of intelligence

these gloves are more useful to a mage or a warlock, priests shouldnt rely on crits for healing as they are unpredictable of course

Kommentar von Allakhazam

These gloves are better than the gloves of power on any mob with less than approximately 10k health. In a raid, mobs that weak die so fast that the +dmg bonus's rarely get a chance to add up, but the crit rate makes a big difference, killing mobs a whole fireball/frostbolt sooner, which is usually 2.5-3 seconds.

Since very very few players have 10k health, obviously crit is nicer for PVP than +dmg, unless you have a LOT of +dmg, and you still want a healthy mix of the two regardless.

Against tougher mobs and bosses (like BWL/MC trash) obviously +dmg is much better value.

Just for the record, I have +9% spell crit gear, and +230 (soon to be +350) dmg, but not both at the same time. I switch between the two sets depending on the situation. These gloves would fit nicely in with my crit gear, replacing the gordok wraps, boosting it to 10%. I'm a frostmage, so do +100% damage crits, but a fire mage benefits just as much (if not more) from ignite.

Edited, Thu Nov 3 08:36:48 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Mia, 60 mage on Darksorrow Alliance side looking for someone to craft this.

as for the pattern drop. seems that the pattern can drop just about anywhere in the end-game instances. you just have to be really lucky, thats all :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

is this pattern BoP?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If anyone on alliance side @ Stormreaver can make these, plz msg me with a price. Cpdoom

Edited, Sat Aug 20 11:37:58 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Oh these gloves are the bomb. The +2% to crit is awesome for PvP, not even bad for PvE gloves. Id easily pay around 700gp for a set, sadly I play on the horde side, and have not seen a set at the AH yet.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Flexi or Flexci at Blackrock (Horde) searchin for a while for this - ill hope someone will find it soon :/

Edited, Tue Sep 13 09:02:52 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Not that i'm saying your wrong but where are you getting the information on how much INT it takes to get +1% Crit on spells..?

And where are you getting info on how much AGI it takes Rogues to get a bonus to there CRIT?

Just Cerious..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I havent seen any other item giving +2 on spell-crits so this is definitely a nice item.
but 10 mooncloth and 6 golden pearls is a huge requirement, not to speak of the huge emeralds that I havent even seen yet ingame.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

100 int is 1% chance for spells to crit, get your facts straight.

That's why this is an epic.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

man i would have expected more =/ +10 int.... thats a blue

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The only arguable part of these gloves is the +8 spirit.

We all know mages and warlocks benifits more from the +crit %, with the multiple talents involving crits.

Hence, I wouldve liked +8 stamina instead ;P

Even if I'd still use these instead of the...
Gordoks Handlappen

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Goldylock is crafting these on Archimonde, msg me

Kommentar von Allakhazam

gloves of the hypnotic flame are better

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I can make these gloves on proudmore, aliance. Pm Kazador if u want a set. I got mine off onyxia

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got mine today on Kil'Jaeden/Europe.
I love em. I worked realy hard to get all the materials because i only play one evening a week.
I fits to my playstyle of Scorch spamming and Fireblasting.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i got this pattern the other day off balthazzaar(sp) on Illidan, so if you want a pair gather the mats and msg me and ill make em for a small fee...ingame is spyware as well

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Finally got all the mats and found someone to make the gloves. I gathered all the mats(300-400g) and paid 25g for the gloves to be crafted.

And try this to get your complete gear analysed.(Critical strike chance...etc..)
For some reason i can't link properly the link. Replace ** by tt
h**p://www.crockford.eclipse.co.uk/WowEquip.html

Edited, Fri Oct 21 14:43:39 2005

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