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Kommentar von Poplocket

While not dripping in stats, these are a nice DPS piece for a combat rogue build, at least until you start getting your MC or ZG class pieces. +2 to hit and +24 AP is no joke.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I may be seeing things, but when I saw these on someone yesterday, it said "Increases crit chance 2%" not To Hit. Clarification?

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Just looted from Pyroguard emberseer in UBRS

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anyone got a picture?

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It works surprisinly well I must say, in combination with my barman shanker which makes good use of attack power due to it's speed.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Since I think rogues are supposed to deal damage, counting 1% crit. worth 2% dodge.

1% hit is worth +0.7% crit. since you're losing the +30% dmg from leathality. Otherwise it's the same than +% crit. You can count a miss to be normal hit, and a normal hit to be a crit.

Since 30 agility gives you +1% crit and +1.5% dodge with +30 attack power (+14 AP = +1dps) I count 25 AP to be worth +0.25% crit. Stamina I consider to be 1.5:1 worth compared to agility. 45 stamina = 30 agility.

30 agility gives 2 value points.
45 stamina gives 2 value points.

Comparison with shoulders:

Stormshroud:

+10 stamina = 0.225 value
+1% crit = 1 value
+1% dodge = 0.5 value

Worth 1.725 points.
Conclusion: balanced offensive-defensive.

Wyrmkin:

+23 agility = ~1.5 value
+10 stamina = 0.225 value

Worth 1.725 points.
Conclusion: devensive shoulders.

Truestrike:

+2% hit = 42 agility ->
+2.9 value from critical chance from 42 agi.
-42 attack power = ~-0.4 value
-~2% dodge = -1 value
+22 attack power = ~+0.225 value

Worth 1.725 points.
Conclusion: offensive shoulders.

All three shoulders are as good, but depends what you're aiming at.

Be free to give me a msg of your thoughts.
Damien, lvl 60 UD Rogue on EU-Bloodscalp.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Slight typo: It's 24 ATP, not 42.

I got these on my first UBRS run, and boy - was I happy to get rid of the measly looking Nightshade Shoulders.
Truestrike consist of two layers, the above one a bit smaller, and are of a darker yellow with lightbrown borders. Lookin' good with the redish cape from the Honor System (rank2?) and my Devilsaur set. Now just to get rid of this Stormshroud Armor...^^

Kommentar von Thottbot

their cool ;)

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As a Combat Rogue after 1.8 You should go ATP and +Hit, so these shoulders are just perfect.

Kommentar von Thottbot

don't plan to pass again. the extra 2% hit is pretty much worth it alone. but I won't complain about the AP, either. crit doesn't mean jack if you can't hit your target, ladies.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Errr. Crits are calculated first. ie, hit/miss occurs only if you do NOT crit.
Howver, +hit will reduce glancing blows, and reduce misses - both of which are important to DPS. The difference is that a few points of +hit can reduce "glancing blow" significantly, and double your white (auto-attack) damage.
Since autoattacks make up approx 40% of my damage, that's a lot :)

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This guy is in UBRS right?

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To the poster above: Correction: To hit is calculated first then if you do HIT chance for crit is calculated. I base this on the fact that a 100% chance to crit CAN STILL MISS. See Cold Blood ;)

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Just got it on first UBRS run.

Since it was a guild run, I got it. I was very happy cause I got SC belt and eye of rend on the same run!

And I was only level 55!

Now that i'm 56, I'm using these awesome shoulders. limitless value in pvp.

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THESE -
ARE -
NICE!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Fury warriors need + hit more than any other class in the game, so when noone wanted these, i gave the person who won the greed roll a large brilliant, and took the shoulders...i don't tank, and have no objections to wearing leather

Kommentar von Thottbot

I picked these up in UBRS yesterday. Nobody else wanted them and they look like they would be great for bear form. I also have

Spaulders of the Unseen, with these stats

129 Armor
+22 Agility
+7 Stamina
+4 Intellect
Durability 60 / 60
Requires Level 56

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=15876/nathanos-truhe

The stats for these:

Shoulder Leather
129 Armor
Durability 60 / 60
Requires Level 56
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 2%.
Equip: +24 Attack Power.

The first is clearly better for cat while these look great for bear. The problem is I usually switch between cat and bear as the situation demands, and wouldn't have time to switch.

I do spend more time in bear, especially in PVP, so I'm leaning towards these. especially when combined with my Eye of Rend, https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=16552/drachenledergamaschen-des-kriegsherren that dropped in the same run. These also look much cooler than the other shoulders.

There is one other similar set of shoulders:

Cyclone Spaulders

129 Armor
+11 Stamina
+11 Intellect
+9 Spirit
Durability 60 / 60
Requires Level 56
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 14.

I would say

Unseen - Cat
Truestrike - Bear
Cyclone - Moonkin

Kommentar von Thottbot

Sry double post

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Hah, these are great for fury warriors, btw, so NINJA'd...just kidding they were about to get DEed, so i gave the winner a shard, and took em...pwns the hell out of wyrmslayer

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have a Sub spec Rogue should i use these over Phytoskins?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

They look exactly like the shadowcraft shoulders, but brown

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Shadowcraft Spaulders:
127 Armor
+22 Agility
+9 Stamina

Truestrike Shoulders:
129 Armor
Requires Level 56
Passive: Improves your chance to hit by 2%.
Passive: +24 Attack Power.

Not much of an AP upgrade from Shadowcraft. You get 2% hit & 2 AP and you lose 90 hp, 1,52% dodge, 0,75% crit and 42 armor.

As a combat rogue, these shoulders would represent a small upgrade in my grinding kit, if it wasn't for the fact that I really like stamina :)
For highend instances (MC/BWL/ZG/AQ) on the other hand, these shoulder are really nice, since the mobs are much higher level than you, and you won't hit as often as normally.

I would, however, pass this to a guildie druid looking for feral gear.

Edited, Mon Jan 9 19:06:16 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

These are good PvE shoulders since they upgrade your chance to hit, increasing your white damage. The AP is also more than any other shoulders. Not so good for PvP howerver, since you lose crit and dodge chance.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i lost these to a *!@#ing druid! DRUID! AAAAARGH! I NEED TO WEAR MY FLESHHIDE SHOULDERS! CRAPPPP!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

if no rogues need this would be good for fury war

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can someone please post a picture of this baby?

Rogue armour..definately rogue armour

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Here's a picture:

http://www.directupload.net/show/d/605/FVJmB6Df.jpg

Excellent shoulders btw.

Edited, Sat Feb 11 16:09:20 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

yes i agree that this would be better for a rogue. but I would allso allow druids to roll on this baby

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