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Kommentar von greengoo

This is a tanking set designed specifically for Paladins. However, you are honestly better off collecting individual pieces of tanking gear designed for warriors from higher instances, as the very low stamina on this set offsets the usefulness of it's defense.

However, for the Tankadin aspiring to do some work in UBRS or ZG, it may suffice.

Kommentar von 8712

Old comment yes. However I feel the need to contradict.

While the stamina on this set is very low the Defense value on it more than makes up for it. As most guilds will not allow a paladin to take tank gear until all the warriors (including the DPS warriors) have it.

with an 89 defense rating in its current form You will only have to gain another 51 defense rating until you reach the 'magic number' of 440 defense which makes you immune to critical strikes (they still happen but its very very very rare).

51 defense can be picked up in very few peices of gear especially if you use core armor kits to further accellerate the gain. leaving you with plenty of slots to fill the lack of stamina gap.

Kommentar von 59139

With the new death knight hero class coming, i think thiese would look pretty cool on specially if your gonna be a death knight..

Kommentar von 74126

quick question is this what the death knight armor is based on

Kommentar von goblinego

Doesn't Nefarian use this set?

Kommentar von Thottbot

As a LVL 60 War with 4 pieces of Valor, two pieces of Imperial (still!) some other odd blue pieces of armor - I can say this is a good set. It is a small set, but the +25 Def from CP makes it well worth it... and the +15 resist all is very nice too. The CP is better than the Imperial CP for Amror, but not stat bonuses, yet the DEF bonus makes up for that. The girdle is actually better overall than the Imperial gridle for armor and stat bonuses. The set as a whole is only a around a green LVL 56, but you get nice AGI, though the Pali will like SPIR a lot more than a War - it can be used by either.

Yeah, Imperial sucks, but its the 1st real 'set' you get as a War.

Deathbone CP dropped in Scholo before I knew it was any good... I should have taken it (it was offered)! DOH!

Taking on the BOSS dragon in Azshara, the MT had about 410 def (probably Wrath Plate) and never once went down in the approximately 40 minute combat... My def was only 310 and I went down like a limp noodle when the priest ran out of mana.

As another poster said - you can mix this up more ... most of the Valor set bonuses are weak (though Valor is a better set overall).

Just like to finish - DB drops frequently in Scholo and with a good group of 5 or 10, its a fairly easy instance, when you are carefulL Its a lot cheaper than the AH :)

xMoe - Silvermoon (the laggy server)

Kommentar von Thottbot

You only really need 420 Defense. At 420 and beyond, mobs just stop getting criticals on you entirely. Past 420, all Defense does is add Parry, Block, and Dodge chance.

The chestpiece and the boots are all you really need, as there are NO pre-MC boots with Defense on them, and wearing the DB boots with the chest will give you another 5.

Kommentar von Thottbot

because valor sucks ass. As a tank how much + to def skill does valor give? Oh yeah NONE.

Wear this set plus stockade pauldrons (drop), enchanted thorium helm (crafted), and fel hardened bracers (drop), and you are ready to start tanking in MC easily.

In reality though the enchanted thorium leggings and breast plate, boots of avoidance, and stonegrip gauntlets are all better than these set pieces but can be hard to find or expensive to have made.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I agree this set is for tanking. I think the only peice really worth using is the chest though. I don't think the set bonuses really make up for the mediocre stats on the rest of the armor. If you want you could tag a core armor kit on the chest and get it upto plus 20. That in hand with protection specs puts you at defence 330 which is quivilent to trying to beat on a lvl 66. With that in mind i perfer it to chestpiece of valor. If you are looking for good tanking shoulders, Kirtnos in scholo drops a nice pair.

Kommentar von Thottbot

305 defense does not make you equivelent to a 61. it's just your level that adjusts your ability to be hit.

defense:
.04 dodge
.04 parry
.04 block
.04 decreased chance of being critically hit in melee
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per point

so at 350 defense, you will have an aditional 2%dodge, 2%parry, 2%block and 2%less criticals.

doesnt matter much in pvp with all the +critical +hit gear, and means ZERO against casters of any kind, however, a zero chance of being critically hit (that's 420defense for 60, or 425 for 61) can mean everything in a raid situation. your incoming damage is pretty stable and predictable, and that means you're easier to keep alive.

i currently have a tank at 417defense, which translates into a collective 42% chance of never being hit in melee, and an immunity of critical melee up to lvl 59.6 (or level 60, since there ISNT a level 59.6)

Kommentar von Thottbot

In patch 1.10, this set will be reitemized to a paladin tanking set, with much mp/5 and such. Read about it here

Kommentar von Thottbot

Warriors should probably only need the chestplate, belt, and boots. Stonegrip for gloves are better, and Enchanted Thorium or Eternal Guardian are better for legs.

There really are no good +def plate belts and boots pre-MC for a warrior. So belt + boots together are very good, especially when you compare them to things like Stalwart's Clutch and Crystal Encrusted Greaves. (+8, +5, so +13 defense total, versus deathbone girdle and sabatons which would give +22 defence total.) When you look at it this way, there aren't too many substitutes for the boots/belts.

The chestplate is very nice at +17 defense, but there are other good options. Ornate Adamantium, Enchanted Thorium, Kromcrush, etc. (1 of those is quested, 1 of them is crafted, so they're not 'too' hard to get.)

A warrior rolling on deathbone isn't like a paladin rolling on valor, unless if the warrior goes for the legplates and gauntlets too. Paladins have a very good alternative to valor, and the only reason why a Paladin would take valor - apart from being an idiot - would be to temporarily use it until lightforge set. A warrior takes deathbone because pre-MC, there are no alternatives to the boots and belt, and for maximizing defense, no alternative to the chestpiece.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I respec'ed to protection again just to try this set out. I have 4 of the 5 now, with over 370 defense. I put points into redoubt since it still does proc for me, but I put points into reckoning cuz I dont get crit'd enuf to justify. Redoubt is also a prereq for shield spec.

Pallys finally have an option of high defense AND some sort of mana help.

So with this set, and a couple other +def pieces I can take an enormous amount of damange. I have a crappy shield (aegis of SW) and I can take as good a beating as any pre-mc'd warrior.

With 1.10, BoSalv, impro RF, HS, BoS, Consecrate...I can generate more aggro on single targets and a warrior cannot even think about AoE'ing aggro like me with consecration. Give me 2 HS'd and a Consecration and nothing is pulling off me without dedicated effort from a high DPS build hitting an off target.

While I dont have def stance, I have better shield absorb, better shield usage, higher DPS than a prot warrior, a ton more aggro across the mob group, and BoS cuts 24 right off the top of all damage. Against all but the heavy heavy melee dps mobs...this is significant.

Any group who passes up the opportunity to run behind a protection pally with this set in scholo/strat are fools. With high defense a pally in this set can mitigate on par with a well equip'd warrior, while causing more threat over the mob group and having higher DPS.

all comments are non-raid.

Kommentar von Thottbot

If you Paladins want a good tanking role to fill, try mass tanking. With lots of +spell damage gear, Consecration, Holy Shield, Blessing of Sanctuary and Righteous Fury active, you can jump into a group of mobs and after just a few seconds have built up a ton of hate, allowing all the AoEers to unload without much fear of getting much aggro. Based on some of the data I've seen, a Paladin is better at this role then a Warrior or a Druid.

Sure, it doesn't come up all that often, but it is a role to play. Warriors MT the bosses, Paladins tank the large groups for AoE fights, and both can tank trash mobs. Warriors get more glory for their role in a raid, but they can't save someone by throwing a heal out at a critical moment, nor can they keep the raid from wiping by removing DoTs.

Anyway, with regards to this set, it seems ideal for allowing Paladins to tank in the 5-10 man arena. It might even be possible for a Paladin to tank in ZG, though most of the time a Warrior is the safer bet. With future 5-10 man instances coming out, this set might be worth holding on to.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have the gloves and CP now and i found something... this pieces of armor rattles when worn. it's both funny and annoying. thanks to this ratteling i sound like a Rusty machine when i walk. ^_^

Quassimodo lv 60 warrior Nordrassil

Kommentar von Thottbot

First:
A Warrior rolling on this set with +manareg when a Paladin wants it is like a priest rolling for +fire damage when a mage wants it. ("Because the other stats are so good and priests and warriors are the most important class in the end game" ... not my opion)

Second:
We are not tanking all the time, that is correct. But whe don't heal, or fighting or casting offensiv spells all the time else. Does this fact say that we have no right to get any item at all? Rolling for everything is not a good idea but it should be allowed to get tanking stuff for a paladin who has tanking talents at least when the item is clearly made for him.

Kommentar von Thottbot

If I can use it, and it's better than what I've got, or I have a specific need for it, I'm going to roll on it. I don't care who's there or who isn't. That is why it's a RANDOM roll. If you don't want to take the chance of another class taking it, don't group with them. If you do and lose, just run the instance again. I've run Scholo over 30 times without seeing a single piece drop...and I'll run it again tomorrow, just for this set.

Telling someone that they're not supposed to roll on something they can and will use is asanine. I'm just thankful I play a horde warrior and don't have to listen to all you morons arguing over it. Play the game, enjoy it, and don't let anyone tell you how you should or should not play. That's one of the reasons that Blizzard limited the talent points. Spec the way you want to play, then go get the gear to support your style.

Flame on..I'll be playing and enjoying the game instead of listening.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I want you guys to look at ANY warrior set that adds +def and see if you can find one that has a total max defense bonus better than this set.

Long story short. There isn't one. It is the best defensive tanking set out there, and with a few other goods, ie Drakks Sshield, Grand Marshall Morris necklace, a cape of defense, and a few enchantments, you can have your defense at 425+, making you almost completely invulnerably (I say almost, because there is an off chance that a 62+ elite boss can still do it) to crits.

My advise is get this gear, defensive tanks. Then, go get the enchanted thorium set. Use this et for all meelee tanking, and the thorium set against casters. Thse two sets of armor will get you well into raid status, so you can get all that nice tier you wanted since spawning.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Both paladins and warriors can make use of it. THe extra mana thing doesn't really matter, it's good for tanking.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm a warrior and I was fortunate to have this gear ( pala passed on it because he had epic).. This gear is great for tanking, but I would never need this gear over any pala.. They need this gear much more than us ( full protection warrior).

Kommentar von Thottbot

this is amazing for them
+24 mana regain
and on top of that 15+ all resistances?
get this palidans, everyone else take your slimy hands off them

Kommentar von Thottbot

the set is now not so important, but if you going to do RP it looks very good for a deathknight and it´s easier to gather than Dreadnaught's Battlegear. You also can find shoulderitems that looks well with the set. The Warchief's Mantle have the same texture like the Chestplate and Legs. The Earthslag Shoulders are also good, the color and struckture fits with gloves and shoes.

so long

Kommentar von Thottbot

who honestly has the time to RP thee days...

i mean, i would LIKE to... but honour takes time to gather and why RP a deathknight as a pally or warrior when u can just earn the up-and-coming deathknight class (prob includng runed gear)

i have a lvl57 ret pally and have been advised to wait ONE MORE LVL until outland for new gear after asking around for this set (have 3parts of the lightforge and cbf getting more).

but srsly this set is so outdated its not funny.

really not so woth it anymore

Kommentar von Unemiryune

Paladins in Season of Discovery, now you can finally roll for this over warriors! Whenever we'll be able to reach lvl 60, I mean xd

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