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Special Abilities

Incite Chaos – Mind Control effect on all party members for 15 seconds, can not be removed or resisted and Blackheart disengages for the duration. Wipes agro.
Charge – Randomly targeted charge that deals about 300-500 physical damage.
War Stomp – AoE knock back deals about 1000-2000 physical damage. Wipes agro.

Strategy

The nasty part about Blackheart is his Incite Chaos but first to avoid him getting cranky we will want our tank to back up against a wall or into a corner to avoid being thrown by Blackheart’s War Stomp, also makes it easier to build agro back up.

There is not much to help with Incite Chaos since you will not get a warning and seems to be randomly activated, Hunter Freezing and Frost traps can help to reduce some of the damage, and also keeping pets on passive will help. Everyone should blow their cooldowns upon the engaging of Blackheart as Incite Chaos will blow them otherwise.

Kommentar von Ziox

Remember, you must completely clear the room that Blackheart the Inciter is in, or otherwise when you pull him any un-killed mobs will aggro onto the group.

Kommentar von ruck

Completed this encounter last night with no disconnects, although I think the fight needs a bit of tuning. The amount of mana that is used during the MC can make or break the fight, it's incredibly random.

What seems to be the best idea is spreading out (to alleviate the damage done during Incite Chaos), keeping your back to a wall as a caster, and running back to the tank after knock-back.

Kommentar von Schnitzel

The first MC comes aproxemately after 20 seconds and after that the MCs occure every minute.
(Sorry for bad english, I'm from germany :P)

Kommentar von Belial

Guild hunter, Talok, came up with this. Have your priest/healer stand on a freezing trap. That way, mana gets saved during the MC events.

Kommentar von 13165

We're wiping on this guy over and over and over again. We get the MC very early and very often. Had luck earlier today somehow and got him on the first try, group didn't do anything differently than what we are doing now.

This fight blows.

Kommentar von Baller

A good adwise, spam all your cd's off before he uses them ;)

Kommentar von 19878

The hunter/priest combo works nicely, have the priest stand as far from the group as possible, but of course stay in healing range and have the hunter lay his frost trap. When MC occurs the priest should stay in the trap for most or the entire duration of mind control. Saves a good amount of mana.

Kommentar von 18915

Guys MC's me Casts blizzard twice on a chair hitting no one, next MC using coldsnap for no reason iceblocks, following me evocs and uses blizzard twice (again) on nothing.

Great times.

Kommentar von 5988

By all means, blow your cooldowns or he will. We didn't get him, but concentrating on dots seemed to help, as these will continue dps while you mc'd. opposite that however, consider having the rouge run with out poisons on his weapons as these WILL end up on the other members of the party.

Kommentar von 16250

2 Things make this fight extremely easy. Blow all your mana before MC and run back when you die. Extremely easy, he hits like a girl and you can easily get back as long as your healers don't die.

Kommentar von A1win

Warlocks should burn their mana before the MC occurs so they aren't able to do any damage during it. After the MC, use Life Tap or Dark Pact and continue nuking. The boss is affected by dots even when he disengages, so Curse of Doom works fine.

Kommentar von 4130

Blow some of your cooldowns, but save your fear.

It's preferable for a person in the party to be running around like an idiot while MC'd than actually doing damage to anyone.

Kommentar von 23443

This guy needs a nerf. Maybe -5 seconds on the MC would do it. He's too random... it's not even skill to beat him it's just complete randomness. >_<

Kommentar von 24686

Having two healers helps immensely on this guy (even if one of the guys is not actually healing the rest of the run he can switch for this encounter), it takes a while to kill him but the chances increase a lot. Would like to know how he's different on Heroic as well.

Kommentar von 24777

Did this guy get buffed in the last patch? The first time I fought him he was cake. Now this time we can't do it.

Kommentar von 24814

Just ran today and it seems like the Mages werent able to iceblock out of the Mindcontrol. Also if you are a priest try to not have Holy Nova as it costs 833 mana and is an instant..he was just spamming it when he took control of me today...mana gone..

Kommentar von 15605

If you are a Rogue he will sometimes blow Cloak of Shadows, removing the Mind Control effect :)

Kommentar von redux

Anyone know how hard he is on heroic?

Kommentar von 25585

pretty easy tonight with hunter, warlock, priest, mage, and a druid tank. Mana was an issue but we still took him down. Dropped the crappy plate leggings :/

Kommentar von 1062

I guess Blizzard just assumes every Priest that plays WoW is going to avoid Holy Nova. If you have Holy Nova don't even bother trying to heal this fight. Your mana will be gone as soon as you get mind controlled.

Kommentar von Qwiggalo

As a Protection Paladin I found it best to tank him with Seal of Righteousness and a two hander.

Go in with Avenging Wrath on, so he won't use it during and MC.

Kommentar von 1062

I think this has been posted before, but I would like to reiterate that Major Dreamless Sleep Potions help a great deal on this fight, especially if you're a healer. Pop one right after he says "Time for some fun!" and if you're not in the middle of casting or attacking you'll probably get it off. Instead of burning 50% of your mana, you're getting ~3600 back... as long as no one AoE's you, which happens a lot. If everyone in your group comes equipped with at least 2 for this encounter, it makes this guy cake.

Kommentar von 20761

Just killed him on non-heroic. The weird thing is he was healed for ~35k somehow during one of the MC's. Don't know if it was a self-heal or not, and he's never done this before that I've seen. Anyone seen him use players to heal himself before? Maybe just a weird random fluke.

Kommentar von 8488

Can Rogues use cloak of shadows to resist the MC?

Kommentar von 31199

This fight can be very long. I watched my friend do this with his group and he died 3 times during this fight. He just corpserunned back while others were fighting and just came back to battle him down. Also few other party members died and corpserunned back to battle.
They finally dropped him and went on :)
There was 2 paladins, hunter, warlock and a mage in that group.

Kommentar von 9818

Sorry if this has been said before, But after watching his health, He seems to use his mind control every 25%, Not time based.

Kommentar von Ellen

Have your group slam dreamless sleep potions before critical moments of Incite Chaos. If you can time it right, you'll have maybe 3 seconds that you're attacking teammates before the spell is over.

Kommentar von 6780

Having a bear druid tank makes this easier. Feral charge lets you get back right after a knockback or charge. Faerie Fire also gets aggro right back after a mind control. Just make sure your DPS waits a second or two before unloading.

Kommentar von 11903

This fight gets harder as your gear gets better due to the mind-control.

Kommentar von Enkiel

we tried him tonight with this group :

70 warrior
70 shaman
70 fire mage x 2
70 rogue.

the strategy that worked best for us was to spread out as much as possible from each other, and use all our long cooldown/trinket in the first 10 seconds of the fight.

first attempt we got him to 28%, second one to 1%, 3rd was the charm... with nobody really well geared, i think it work nicely.

Kommentar von Nerissa

The only fight in the game that gets worse as your DPS gets better.

An interesting thing to note, however. On normal mode it is DEFINITELY possible to take him out as long as the healer and the tank are still alive. He doesn't hit for that much and your healer should regen just enough mana to keep himself and the tank alive between MC periods. (and being perpetually OOM limits the amount of damage per MC period)

Still a very annoying fight that has the potential to take a while if he blows all your mana. Since I have all the loot I need out of this dungeon, I'm not running it until I need to for a quest.

Kommentar von MysticalMonkey

If your playing a Warlock, I suggest that you summon your succubus before you start and rightclick the "seduce" button only. Doing this will make you seduce yourself every mindcontrol thus avoiding both taking and dealing damage. Hope this helps :)

Kommentar von 52104

On Heroic, this requires good gear and heavy DPS as well. I tried many times with a non-geared group, but one-shotted him today.

Don't pull aggro. He htis like a tank in heroic.

Kommentar von 34489

Heroic fight

Same strategy as normal with the exception he hits like a truck ~6k on cloth, and has about double his normal amount of health.
Let the tank establish a good amount of agro before starting any dps, pull agro and your dead.
He mind controls a bit more often in heroic so waste your huge cooldowns before hand, especially LoH for u healadins.
After mind control he usually dosnt head back towards the tank at first, so as soon as it ends everyone needs to run to the tank to let him re-establish threat.
Tanking him against a wall is probably smart considering he does a massive knockback quite often.

70 prot warrior
70 fury warrior (me)
70 healadin
70 deomonology warlock
70 frost mage

Kommentar von 58761

For heroic my grp consisted of:
my holy palladin weedhead
prot war
afflic lock
fury war
afflic lock

it was an easy instance, we only had a little prob on blackheart, we wiped the first try at 70%, then on the 2nd attempt the 2 locks and fury warrior died at 50% and i died also. i used the soulstone, the prot warrior and i killed blackheart from 50% it was a long fight.

Kommentar von 58937

wiped two times 'cause of his mc. second time it got really nasty and everyone ganked the healer. tried freezetrapping healer but we still kept attacking the block of ice thus breaking the effect.

what seemed to work for us (we got him on the third try) was that everyone un-equipped their most vital weapon about 10-15 secs between each mc. I as a rogue removed swords, hunter removed bow and so on. self-nerfing basically.

works like this:

1. attack for 10-15 secs
2. un-equip
3. get mc:ed and hit each other sissy style thus minimizing damage done to team-mates
4. equip and start from point 1.

worked really well and I recommend this strategy. although doesn't do much for minimizing damage from casters sadly, but you as a melee don't hurt them too badly.

Kommentar von 59059

Ok, there has been many strats on this boss with many differing opinions on how to take him. He is difficult at first I agree, but after continuous wipes, I created a 5 man spec group to come up with some kind of strategy for him that would work regardless of the group makeup.

Since the creation of this plan, I have had 0 wipes and 1 death (multiple runs) so this is what we have stuck to.

(much of this has been said up top, but this is a compilation plan.)

There are two mounds behind the boss, one on the left and one on the right. Near the walls are two "v" shaped niches which are extremely important.

When facing him, I have the tank grab aggro and run him straight to the left mound and back into the "v" shaped niche. This prevents the knockback from occuring on the tank and allows him to contain total aggro.

For any ranged DPS or Healers, head DIRECTLY to the right mound and back into the "v" shaped crevice there. When Blackheart performs his knockback, you will go nowhere and ALWAYS remain within healing distance of the tank or remain within distance to attack Blackheart. Remember to get into position first before starting to heal or attack. Positioning is the key to this fight.

Melee DPS, this is your time to shine. Any class besides a dagger spec Rogue (who has to be behind the mob for obvious reasons) can sit right on top of the tank and let loose. The stomp will not send you back so you can continue DPS'ing as soon as you land. For Dagger spec Rogues, you are going to get kicked back no matter what, so tey to position yourself so you get kicked back into the other group of players (healer / ranged) and run STRAIGHT BACK towards Blackheart and start DPS'ing.

The advantages to this strategy come about during the "Incite Chaos" time of thie fight. More often than not, the melee and the tank will fight amongst themselves. This is a plus because the tanks take reduced melee damage because of armor class and the melee usually take little to no damage as well. The casters/ranged also take little to no damage as well and is easily healed through once the "Incite Chaos" is over.

Once "Incite Chaos" ends is where most of my wipes have occured or where the group starts to unravel. This is actually the easiest part of the fight if you know what to do and know what not to do. After the MC stops, the tank HAS TO RE-ESTABLISH AGGRO BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING! This includes bandaging and health pots. This is unconfirmed, but I have seen Blackheart aggro someone after the MC that bandages or health pots. Tis can be bad if the tank has not re-established aggro. My groups will wait to do anything (attack, heal, /dance, trade, log off) until the tank hits him again and drags him back to his niche in the wall. All casters and ranged at this point should go back to their respective spots on the other mound before healing or attacking. This lets the tank firmly re-establish aggro and usually he can take a few hits before he needs a heal anyway.

This is a rinse and repeat affair and if followed to the order, this will drop Blackheart like a sack of bricks EVERY TIME.

After this strategy was developed, my group tested this out with a four man group (and we were slightly undergeared) and we four manned this boss. (It took a little longer but no one died).

The random things to watch out for in this encounter are....

He has a random charge to another person in the party, but normally returns to the tank afterwards. DO NOT start running away if this happens. Simply run to the tank so he can get aggro back faster and then return to your respective place on the mound.

Burn ALL cooldowns within the first ten seconds of the fight (or else he'll use them anyways) and try to use them to damage him or heal someone else.

Again, I re-iterate, this entire fight is based on positioning and letting the tank re-gain aggro AFTER the MC.

-Aerias, 70 Rogue, Vae Victus, Mannoroth Server.

PM me if you need any help.

Kommentar von Kathucka

The key to this fight is survival. Make sure that you don't kill anyone, and make sure that nobody kills you.

Un-equip damage-dealing gear.

Replace it with gear that gives you armor, resilience, stamina, resistances, mana pool, and mana restoration. Treat it as a PvP fight, because, in a way, it is.

Keep your health topped off with bandages, potions, healthstones, and your own heals so that you're not low when the Chaos starts.

Run to your tank after the Chaos.

Be patient. So long as the tank and healer stay alive, he'll go down eventually.

Kommentar von 61927

Tips for shamans:

Try to have your stoneclaw totem dropped near a dps player before Incite Chaos. When mind controlled your dps friend will attack the totem instead of the party. It's hard to time it right, so you may drop it whenever avaliable. Also, 'rocky' (Greater Earth Elemental) can be helpful since he doesn't hit hard and has a great taunt skill.

If any caster is in the party, try to use grouding totem. It'll eat at least one spell when Incite Chaos happens.

Kommentar von 44284

I couldn't bubble out of it.

Kommentar von Glocksucker

I don't know if this has been said or not, but try and taking off all your weps before he does his MC. This doesnt always work for casters of course, but if you have rogues or warriors, or any other melee classes, take off your weps to take down your damage.

Of course i dont know if this EXACLTY works, but mid fight against him my hunter ran out of arrows and my weapon broke (i had backup arrows and a backup weapon in my inventory) and i hit for like 50 damage, if i hit at all. It saved a little bit of damage done to our group.

Kommentar von Foxpaw

This guy just restored about a third of his maximum health mid fight... TWICE. :S

Kommentar von 77433

One thing a group that i was in tried that seemed to be successful was to have myself (the tank) positioned in the 'room'/alcove to the far left with the pillars, and have the hunter misdirect to me. I then backed up against a wall to help with the knockback effect. The pillars and the more confined space seemed to limit his random charging and kept him in a smaller space, allowing aggro to be more quickly established in the confusion after MC.

Blow all your coodowns, but warriors, keep your fear shout (locks too i guess) and your 'come to me mama' AoE shout, as these will work to your advantage when MC'd. At least u can withstand taking damage if u attract other party members to attack u :). Haven't tried the trick mentioned above of removing weapons, but will give it a go next run.

Kommentar von 43166

When we fought him, he burned 2 of my r11 HLs on myself at full health... Not sure if it was because I was away from everyone, or if bliz really does hate pallies, but if anyone has a way to stop this, help.

Or, any tips in general for bringing the party back up after the MC for a pally? It's hard to heal everyone up both because of mana and aggro... Might just be the gear though.

Kommentar von Puggly

It's always a good idea to check your buffs after a MC because he will cast other buffs which will replace the ones you had up, making the fight that much harder.

Kommentar von 91156

Some people say that Blackheart takes you over an you should use all of your cooldowns immediately. I believe this is incorrect. He is not like Baroness Anastari in Stratholme. She charms you and makes the best use possible of all abilities.

Instead Blackheart simply Incites Chaos. This causes everyone to randomly use abilities. As the MT I sometimes shoot my gun, sometimes switch stances, sometimes use Battle Shout, etc.

I say this because I believe using all cooldowns early in the fight is a mistake. I save my Last Stand and Shield Wall for later in the fight were they might be needed. I believe there is a random chance these cooldowns might be invoked but it is not worth spending them. There is no order or plan to how Chaotic characters use their abilities. That is why it is called Chaos.

Khros - Eitrigg

Kommentar von Thelion

All i have to say bout this guy is to burn all of your CD's ! Especialy the DPS classes ... I did that mistake on my 1st run when i was PoM Pyro spec ... Nuked the healer :S
Btw KhrosEitrigg well the other time when i was specced 11/47/3 the other mage was PoM Pyro and he nuked me so i think there is a big chance that your CD's get wasted on your teammate's
PS:I nuked the haeler on the 1st Mind control and the other mage maybe on the 3rd , so you can wait maybe till the 1st mind control

Kommentar von 94170

We actually made this boss we only 3 people!,

it was me >>tank
healer + a hunter!

it was hillarious!

Kommentar von 71722

Melee classes and tanks, unequip all your weapons just before the MC hits. Casters, unequip all your crit based items and trinkets. This should minimize the damage the party will receive. I dont know if a macro can be written for this but you can also put Level 1 trash items into your backpack for replacement of your main weapons and keep your backpack open in order to easily right-click to swap the items.

Kommentar von Capnkernow

We've done this on normal a few times now (someone always wants the starting fragment for Kara :-)), sometimes ending up with only a Druid tank (me) and a Hunter left alive, with 50% left to go, he doesn't hit that hard, the leadership of the pack buff should see you through.

We did notice something on the last few tries though. The guild priest was having issues with blowing holy nova or prayer of mending when under the MC, when she removed them from her toolbar it seemed like the rate dropped a lot and conserved her mana. We're yet to confirm but will try it out

Kommentar von 60672

Hunters and locks dont dismiss your pets (because of passive bonuses like blood pact and spirit bond) but rather put them on passive and this lessens the damage recieved by your pets; If you want to do more dmg and keep your pet in the fight (provided that the timing of 20 secs for first cast and 1 min afterwards is correct for MC cast) then use your best judgement as when to set ur pet on passive and call him/her back
(Unconfirmed) Place your pets on passive and tell them to hold position and they MIGHT not do anything at all except sit there turn red then back to normal

EDIT: This guy doesnt hit hard so if you die you may be able to run back to the instance and join the fight to prevent a wipe, HOWEVER!!! most groups do not kill the group of mobs on the right side of the ramp leading to the room with the first boss, and it can get pretty nasty if you get MCed into these mobs (found this out the hard way >.<)

Kommentar von Veratus

Other people in my run of this were all complaining about how difficult Bleakheart is. I tanked him with my feral druid and we got him first time. The thing that each of their groups had in common when they did this was a pally tank. Paladins can tank, but because Bleakheart gets everyone doing everything, the Paladin's busy burning his mana under the influence, so when it wears off the pally's mana pool is empty. No mana? No agro control. Wipe.

Kommentar von 75228

The Mind control ability can be very devastating as an dps spellcaster as Blackheart will use random spells on your group, causing your mana to drammatically get low very fast.

Just downed him with a random 70-group. I dont know how though since I (mage frost+arc) was out of mana, rogue dead and hunter dead when Blackheart had 50% health. Warrior + Paladin managed to take him down by themselves from that he had 40% health.

In other words, the thing that makes this boss hard is his "Incite chaos" ability.

Kommentar von Kassimer

If you die during this fight and attempt to run from the graveyard to join your group that's still fighting, be aware that you will be mind-controlled even at the beginning of the instance. So, it might take a bit longer for you to get back into the battle than you had anticipated.

Kommentar von Razzle

Something very awkward happened to me an my group today. After we started the encounter when he was down to 5% he reset to 100% but so did our health and mana. Got him dead though. =)

Kommentar von 136440

Has anyone ever had it when the healer healed him? I think this happened to us when we fought him the other day. He Incited Chaos and suddenly at some point, his health was back to full.

Kommentar von 165458

best bet is to have an off healer such as a spriest who can just turn back and heal incase the healer dies. In that case just have the healer res straight away and just run back to continue healing. Also a resto shammy should place earthshield on themselves as staying alive is their main priority.

Kommentar von Elionene

Something that I haven't seen posted here (though I may have just missed it) is that for this fight in particular, you can corpse run and still have a shot at killing him. If you die, release immediately and start running back to the Shadow Labyrinth. As long as at least one person is still alive, you can usually make it back to the fight before a total wipe.

Doing this, I managed to arrive after dying right as the tank was killed and Blackheart was at 1%, I shot a couple arrows and he went down with me being the last one alive, just back from the dead. Time for fun, indeed.

Kommentar von 115537

Very interesting occurence transpired recently. I was running this boss with a regular group as an elemental shaman, and during the second Incite Chaos, Blackheart made me use Elemental Mastery. I waited for what I thought was the inevitable chain lighting to devastate my party, then realised I wasn't moving.

It became apparent I had actually EVADE BUGGED. My health and mana recovered in two great ticks, as is customary with out of combat computer-controlled creatures, and I was able to down the boss with great ease thanks to my replenished mana pool.

Kommentar von 165953

I love how he shout's "you fail!!" when you fight him
It's like he's a real player thaat can't get owned by 5 more people

Kommentar von Thottbot

This guy can be a pain.

He has 2 main abilities.

1. Knockback
2. AOE Mind Control

His knock back has about a 10 yard range, and it knocks back pretty far. So pull him up against a wall and tank him. About every 30-45 seconds, I'm not exactly sure he will perform an AOE Mind Control and it will also wipe agro so give your tank a chance to get agro back before you begin to dps. This MC will waste a lot of the casters mana, so make sure you have mana pots. During the AOE mind control you will attack eachother, but nobody will die from it. People will get very close to death. Occasionaly when you come out of mind control he will do an AOE stomp and somebody with low hp will die.

Kommentar von Thottbot

When you walk into his room, you have to clear it all, its reminesint of SM cath~ there are stelthed rogues on each side near the wall, and the pulls get up to 6 at a time. Kill the Acolyts, priests and locks first, I hope you CC the hard hitters. The Deathsworn's had a stun right off the bat so have someone else go first or wait a sec for tank to grab aggro, also a 1k cleave.

We whiped a few times on the 6 pulls becuase we diddnt kill the acolyte first, once we did that and the locks pet it was smooth as silk :)

For Black heart himself, his AOE MC sucks~ if you get it in the first few seconds its REALLY heard to recover from :) he was hitting my group for around 3k, so I dont know how he 'doesnt do much damage' ;p

He dosent have alot of Hp, so if you can survive the MC and such, to hit him, he gose fast. I suggest burning all your cool downs in the first few minutes or before this fight, he WILL use them when youa re MC;ed. Also no DoT posions ;p

Kommentar von Thottbot

Time for Fun!

Kommentar von Thottbot

First of all he DOES hit hard, try 2500-3500 to casters. Second, he DOES have a lot of HP. With him MC'ing the group every 30 seconds, this is long fight. Also, you CAN kill eachother during the MC, dont let people confuse you. Casters stay at max range to avoid AoE knockback that hits for 2000, tank against back wall. After MC, let tank regain aggro so he doesnt run around smacking the casters for 3k damage. There is no "fast" about this fight, typically at least 4 minutes long.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have run this guy a few times and the one time we got him down first try was with:

Warrior
Rogue
Hunter
Pally
Priest

The best thing is the war (in tank gear) and the pally cant hurt anyone. Neither can anyone hurt them. The only one who is in any danger of dying is the priest.

We found that having two healers helps out on this one - taking turns to regen mana while the other heals.

Most fun fight any of us have had in ages. Remember, try to laugh as you are smacking the c&@p out of a fellow guildee. =)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Here is what worked for me (70 Frost Mage). My group was 70 War, 70 Rogue, 70 Priest, 70 Hunter.

Alot of this fight is luck so keep that in mind.

I started as soon as Warr had a few sunders on Blackheart and dumped as much mana as possible by spamming Arcane Blast. This served to dps Blackheart down and reduce mana so I didn't AoE the party. Afer MC is done, I popped my mana emerald and a pot and switched to frost bolts. This got mana low enough not to dps party during MC. After 2nd MC I used Evocation to regain mana and finish off boss. If you pull aggro at all in fight make sure you use ice block (if you have) and cold snap. That will save you from two aggro pulls.

Bandages and Ice Barrier are a must as healer will have very little mana and need to focus on tank. Also casters need to be as far away as possible from the other party members, and if you have a hunter try to lay a ice trap at the healer's feet to stop him from using mana in MC.

Lastly, Good Luck, you will probably need it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

One effective strategy for countering his AoE mind control (if you're willing to spend a few gold) is to have everyone in the party buy some Dreamless Sleep Potions. When the boss shouts "Time for Fun" everyone immediately stop what they are doing and pop the potions and you will not only be asleep for the majority of the mind control, but you will also regain a lot of HP and Mana. Made this fight very easy for me.

Kommentar von Thottbot

This guy is a tough boss. So please spare us the "easiet boss ever, spanked him with a group level 60-whatever..." and post if you have helpful strats.

Just saying that you killed him does absolutely no good for anyone.

Kommentar von Thottbot

The only trick to beating this boss is to survive his AOE mind control, because he does not hit particularly hard. He uses MC every 30-45 seconds, and he shouts "Time for fun!" just before he uses it. If you are quick enough there are certain things you can do. Druids can change into tree form so when they get mind controlled the can't do damage. Mages can also use ice block if they have it so they won't do anything for a large portion of the mind control. Or you can also go out and buy dreamless sleep potions before you run this and pop one each time he is about to use MC. It will put you in a state of sleep for 10 or 15 seconds, making you inable to attack your party. It will also allow you to recover HP and mana. If none of these sound good to you then the best thing to do is to have all of the mana users to try to burn as much mana as they can before he uses MC so that when he uses it you won't be able to do much. Once the MC runs out you should have pots to help you recover mana. Also if you die make sure to release and run back because this fight does take a long time.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Hey all you warlocks out there, a friend of mine figured out a nifty trick on this guy. Each time he MC's you, after it wears off, you can apply a NEW curse to him while he keeps your old one.

This means:

Curse of Shadows
+ Curse of Agony
+ Curse of Doom
= mega shadow damage

This may also work with paladin judgements.

Kommentar von Thottbot

by the way, the dreamless sleep potion trick didn't work at all. he says "fun time" and immediately MCs

Kommentar von Thottbot

Tried running SL for my Kara attunement:

70 War
70 Enhance Shammy
70 Rogue
70 Mage
70 Holy Pally

Had the Warrior tank against the backwall by the door with dps and the mage at range. I tried to keep everyone topped off with FoL but every time we did this (and we tried like 5 times) he would almost immediately MC. He would burn all my CDs and spam basically every healing spell and mana burning spell I had making me completely useless post-MC.

We never had a good start to the fight it was such BS. How can anyone call it fun when it's almost impossible to beat..

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OK, I must have good luck been to Slabs twice and downed this guy both times. Here is a trick i used as an affliction warlock. Burn all the mana u can before the first MC. Once you come out of MC Dark pact or Lifetap just enough mana to cast spells. While under MC I dont think I cast more than 1 spell each time at my teammates. Our group was.
Warrior tank
Druid healer
Preist Shadow
HUnter Not sure of spec
Warlock Affliction

All 70 of course. We tanked him against the wall and came close to dying once when he amd me cast howling terror but luckily he aggroed me and I was cloe to the tank who got aggro back and then we got him. Also if you have a hunter using him to freeze trap the healer to save mana works great and is probably the reason we made it both times. Havent tried the dreamless potion trick sounds good.
Drunkcupid

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Another interesting fact: You can go OOC On this boss and drink/whatever.

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heh, this fight is tough but here is a trick:

after the MC dont cast anything (the tank should be okay if he has more than half HP before the MC) and watch your water icon, I was able to drink several times during the fight and so was our mage =) makes this really tough fight really simple.

u can all pay me later =)

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i reccomend all warlocks to use succubus on this encounter. during the MC phase she will seduce on of yer teammates --> less harm done =)

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Even though I've killed this guy once (out of two times) I got to say that he must be one of the hardest and most annoying bosses in the world.
Sure top guilds like Nihilum may brag about taking Illidan himself down while watching television, but all in all Illidan is really nothing but a big, bad, boring Demon. I want so how they're going to handle this guy :P

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This guy is pretty easy, as long as everyone knows what to expect. It's not that he's dangerous, he's just tricky.

One easy option is to space everyone out. Have the tank bring him back against the door for knockback, then have your hunters/casters near the edge of their range whenever possible. If you do this, it usually takes several seconds of running around before you aggro on a party member during MC. The exception, of course, is if you have a rogue near the tank....But with full tanking gear on it's nearly impossible to kill the rogue, and he won't have a chance of killing you.

For casters and healers please remember that he disengages during MC. That means that once MC breaks, you are considered outside of combat and you can drink. This helps a lot and saves quite a bit of money/trouble. It also makes it easier for the tank to grab him quickly.

Other than that, it's basically just a high dps fight. The mind control is a 40 second timer, the faster you kill him the less he does it.

I've done this guy quite a few times. Only wiped once, and other than that no deaths outside of mind control. (And you just can't help but laugh when four of you gang up on the fifth) Probably one of my favorite bosses.

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He is the most imba creature. His MC is entire party, instant cast and almost the only spell in game that can not be iceblocked. Also he drops tank's aggro and charges.

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I'd rather stay smashing up my team mates thx :)
Time for Fun.

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Out of curiosity (partly because I'm hoping to be there soon with my hunter), could a hunter place a freezing trap at the feet of a ranged DPS (mage/lock/hunter) at the start of the fight/after each MC and then get some distance such that at the start of the MC, the above ranged DPS would instantly be frozen, and thus taken out of battle for a few seconds? (sorry for the run-on sentence....)

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Tried with 70 lock, mage, priest, hunter, and pally. Got wiped 10 times. Never got below 20%. He's just impossible.

Killed him on 1st try today with mage, shammy DPS, pally healer, warrior tank, and hunter. No problem. I found that the trick is that you want to stay at the very top of the steps. This is because when mind control breaks, he will run around like a madman in the middle of the platform till someone aggroes him. But if you stand on top of the stairs, most likely MC will end there, and healers/DPS won't aggro him when MC breaks. This way, the tank still has time to get aggro before anyone else.

Good luck!

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Did this with:

me (70 Hunter)
70 Rogue
70 Warrior
70 Priest
70 Mage

I kept the Healer Frost trapped, and we burned all cooldowns as soon as we started the fight.

You just have to have enough manna to finish the job and enough DPS to burn him down before too many MC's.

One other point, sometimes he MCs real early, sometimes he doesnt...If he does and your cooldowns are still up, it can be hard to recover.

My biggest tip if you have hunters are to Keep a frost trap under your healers and ALWAYS make sure their is no trap for him to use when he MC's. He will just about always drop your snake trap and that blows.

Locks, uses a succubus. That way under MC your pet will charm a player and remove another person from harms way...

Like others have said..he is just a pure pain in the ass.

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Look guys and gals, this guy isn't that hard. It's a long fight if you're undergeared so have healers be prepared for extensive mana use.

First burn your cooldowns right off the bat.

Tank him at the back wall, everyone stay close, don't spread out, it makes ur tank chase him while he beats the snot out of you. Stay close to your tank so he can pick blackheart up ASAP. After MC EVERYONE run back to back doors, tank will pick him up again.

Staying at the back door does two things for you. 1, keeps the distance he can throw u at a minimum. 2, makes it very easy for your tank to pick him back up.

If you die, RUN BACK IN. When u get to blackhearts room he will run to you and beat you down giving those remaining a break and a chance to heal up/bandage.

Repeat until he dies.

Maybe I keep getting lucky, but I've one shot this guy every time since I started using this strat. (15+ times trying to get my trinket.)

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wiped 10 tens, gotta be the most frustrating boss ever made

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On normal this has become very simple, as the PvP gear has become easier to get.
I have been experimenting with a couple of friends, and I've been able to 3 man this boss with so far 2 combos.

With this group we took the first 2 bosses:

Paladin(Holy)- Healer
Rogue - DPS
Priest(Shadow)- Tank

With this group we managed to complete the whole instance:

Paladin(Holy)- Tank
Paladin(Holy) - Healer
Priest(Shadow) - DPS

Very easy if you understand how to work together.

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I tried to do this twice with a group.. we would have owned him except for his MC both times EVERY member of the party went for me ( i am the only healer) and killed me... does that usually happen?

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anyone know the range of aoe mc? as a caster I was wondering if I can stay far enough away that I can get out of the range as soon as he shouts 'Time for Fun?'
Like the succy tip re:mc and 2 curses at once thx :) how the heck does that work lol

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ok last night i answered my own question....
died, ran back in quick as poss, got to end of first room and heard 'Time For Fun' and oh yes, it reaches that far :( got me attacking group of 3 mobs on right side of that end room what fun and so yet another corpse run - healer friend in group said it affected him right at ENTRANCE of instance!

and my succy didn't seduce anyone attacked and was attacked (but maybe i had seduce off auto-cast can't remember?)

what about trying imp his mana gets spent quick and no shard to get him back if he gets splatted during mc?

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I wish there were more posts on heroic mode. Just wiped and found out ...

YOU CAN'T RUN BACK!

You get some ghey msg "Unable zone in while encounter is in progress."

What? This isn't kara!

I've never tried to run back on a heroic before, so not sure if that's for all heroics?

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I hate this boss. We wiped so many times, we gave up in the end. Tried all the tactics listed here and we still end up killing each other in the end.

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Today, we killed this damn boss with;

Level 69 arms warrior (me),
Level 70 prot warrior,
Level 70 resto shaman,
Level 69 balance druid,
Level 70 retri paladin.

We wiped about 4-5 times and finally we aggreed to pull him so close to the insntace entrance lol=). If someone dies, he/she resurrects on the gy and comes back quick. However, with the aid of luck, just 1 of us died and our tank and healer didnt die at our last try.

After that we screamed: "Time for fun" and laughed as much as we can. I like RP servers=)

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ummmm lol heres how it went for my group

69 prot pally-me
70 mage
70 hunter
70 holypriest
69 enhance shaman

his mc sucks i highly suggest a prot pally doesnt ever tank this as i oomd after using 1 spell after his first mc and he hits pretty hard was hittin me 1500 with 11k armor and yes u can die during mc i killed our enhance shaman lol

if any1 knos a way for a prot pally to tank this plz let me kno

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Took our group 2 wipes before we finally killed him, and all but 1 of our group wiped on last try, so it was close.

70 prot warrior, 70 survival hunter, 70 demon lock, 70 holy pally, and 70 enhance shammy.

MC sucked big time... had our lock raining fire down while i was getting tanked by our prot warrior, pally, and hunter... I was running my 70 enchance shammy and went into the fight with most of my hp, came out with 1/4 or less and not much mana since he had me spamming water shield and healing HIM.

Last run just tried to get as much damage as possible loaded on him before MC and burn up as much of mana as possible, but next time i'll make sure to use up shamanistic rage and berserk BEFORE he MCs the group, that was less than enjoyable using it on my party...

Fire elemental did decent damage and burned out just before MC, so that worked decently.

After tank wiped on last run just kept dpsing and praying, died, hunter was far back and managed to get off just enough shots to kill this guy.

Fortunately, group had a sense of hunor about the MC, or it could've been a LOT worse.

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Putting my fishing-rod on hotkey was literally a life-saver. I've fought this guy several times now, and the first couple of times were mainly endurance-matches for tanks and healers - especially because I crank out a lot of DPS and have killed parties several times while MC'ed. Switching to a "weapon" at the last second that doesn't let me use Mortal Strike, Cleave, Execute and the likes and only deals out marginal white damage makes the damage I do to my party laughable. I'd suggest using a Blacksmith Hammer instead, but the +35 stamina on my fishing-pole makes taking other partymembers' damage a little easier to boot.

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ran 21 times for getting those prot trinket and still haven't got one yet, it hasn't even droped yet.. o man...

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Once took my group around 10-15 minutes to down this guy.

The group was:
Pally tanking
Pally healing
Disc Priest
Rogue
and fury warr (me)

Myself and the rogue kept getting killed but the paladins and the priest did not die and when they were MC'd they would heal themselves while the rogue and I would run back to the fight and keep DPSing.

Also his MC affects you no matter where you are in the instance. I was MC'd on a run back through the 1st room and i agroed everything there and had to run back again.

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Do NOT try to kill this guy without clearing his room. You can make it to him with just clearing the middle pulls, but he calls anything left alive to his aid when aggro'd.

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nice tips thank

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Yeah this dude sucks nothing u can do skill fully to avoid it lol its a hit and a miss, the only i can say for some possible strat is have tank against the wall, and then when your mced and u have a hunter drop frost trap to get someone trapped, other then that everyone run to tank so he gets agro then run away for less possible dps againt each other. Also dreamless sleep potions can help if u can hit it at the right time. One other thing is a must to blow all your cooldowns right away. Hope this helps and if u anything to add please do. Also stop all attacks accept tank when he does the AOE fear so tank can rebuild agro easier. Also if your a rogue use some crippling poison may help out to slow people down.

Edited, Feb 26th 2007 10:03pm by xxxnightmarexxx

Edited, Feb 26th 2007 11:17pm by xxxnightmarexxx

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I think I'm the only one who likes this boss. My favorite boss so far in the game. He MC's the whole group for 15 seconds which means you're trying to kill each other. It's always fun to see a hunter go after his own pet. Great boss for kicks and giggles.

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First run of shadow lab. got the legs and love em :)

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killed this asswipe...man he suks. but we gott'em :)

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any strat on this guy ?

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im starting too think that this fat retard never drops the plate legs , cause i was there about 15 times and he dint drop them once how i hate this fat stupid OGr!

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i gotta say, this fight is one of the most hectic and fun fights i've encountered in the game yet. yesterday it took us a good 10 minutes to take him down. the most frustrating part about this guy is when he mind controls you, he likes to pop all your cooldowns. for me he popped vanish, cold blood, evasion, then preparation and proceeded to pop them all again.

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Funny Boss he got an AoE mind control
while the whole party gets MC'ed the boss is friendly and will just dance~

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If you're a mage with fast reflexes you can Ice block when you see the "Time for fun" yell he does. If you're fast enough, you'll be Ice blocked and still MC'd, although the MC's duration is a bit longer, but it save you some hp and a #$%^load of mana.

You'll have around .5 sec to Ice block after you see the yell.

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